>>> TRUMP'S APPROVAL FLIPS IN OHIO.

>> [ MUSIC ] >> WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD, I AM MIKE THOMPSON.

THE 100 DAY MARK OF THE ADMINISTRATION HAS BECOME A MILEPOST IN DETERMINING THE EARLY SUCCESS OF A PRESIDENT.

IT IS WAY PREMATURE, BECAUSE AFTER ALL, THERE ARE 1361 DAYS LEFT, BUT HERE WE ARE, 100+ A COUPLE DAYS INTO DONALD TRUMP'S SECOND STINT AS PRESIDENT, AND OHIOANS ARE AT LEAST A LITTLE UNEASY ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE GOING.

POLLING SHOWS PRESIDENT TRUMP'S APPROVAL RATING STANDS AT 47%, THAT IS DOWN SEVEN POINTS FROM AND IT SEEMS TO BE ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY DRIVING THE NUMBERS, TAKE TARIFFS FOR EXAMPLE.

MORE THAN HALF OF OHIOANS SURVEYED EXPECT TARIFFS TO HURT THEM, ONLY 25% SAY TARIFFS WILL HELP THEM.

THIS POLL MIRRORS NATIONAL POLLS THAT WE ARE SEEING.

DIDN'T ANYTHING JUMP OUT AT YOU?

>> IT'S INTERESTING, I THINK THERE IS TRUMPS HARD-CORE BASE OF SUPPORT, IT HAS BEEN ENOUGH TO HELP HIM WIN OHIO THREE TIMES, BUT THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF THE VOTERS WHO AREN'T WITH HIM NO MATTER WHAT, AND YOU SEE THOSE PEOPLE BEING CONCERNED ABOUT --WHETHER IT IS THE STOCK MARKET, PORTFOLIO DROPPING OR PRICE IS NOT DROPPING AS MUCH AS THEY WANT, SO I THINK IT IS WORTH WATCHING THIS, BECAUSE I DON'T ASSUME ALL TRUMP VOTERS ARE JUST TRUMPED VOTERS FOREVER, ESPECIALLY YOUNG PEOPLE, AND SOME OF THE GROUPS THAT HELPED HIM WIN THE POPULAR VOTE THIS YEAR.

>> INDEPENDENCE, THERE IS SOME EROSION THERE IN HIS SUPPORT, APPROVAL RATING ANYWAY.

>> YEAH, AND I THINK GOING BACK TO THE TARIFFS, THEY WERE A QUESTION RECENTLY [ INAUDIBLE ] THIS PAPER MILL IS GOING TO BE CLOSING NOW IN DECEMBER.

OF COURSE, SENATOR BERNIE MORENO WAS ASKED IF TARIFFS PLAYED A ROLE IN THIS.

[ INAUDIBLE ] IT IS NOT CLEAR [ INAUDIBLE ] WANTS TO SHUT THIS PLANT DOWN, BUT IF YOU SEE A CONTINUOUS EFFECTS OF TARIFFS, THAT MAY CONTINUE TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE HE IF THEY ARE NEGATIVE EFFECTS.

>> MARK, DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN DESTRUCTIVE, HE HAS DONE A LOT OF THINGS IN HIS FIRST 100 DAYS, PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE CHANGE.

IS THIS JUST A REFLECTION OF PEOPLE NOT LIKING CHANGE, AT LEAST NOT YET?

>> IT'S A FAIR QUESTION, I HAVE LEFT A LOT OF POLLS IN MY CAREER, I LOOKED AT THIS ONE.

IT IS A LITTLE OVER SAMPLED ON WOMEN AND COLLEGE GRADS.

BUT IT IS NOT WELL OUT OF LINE WITH NATIONAL POLLS.

I THINK IT MEANS A LITTLE LEFT.

BUT YOUR POINT I THINK IS CORRECT, HE HAD POLITICAL CAPITAL COMING OUT OF A [ INAUDIBLE ], WINNING THE ELECTION, AND HE HAS BEEN SEEN, TO GET THINGS DONE.

WHEN A PRESIDENT SPENDS POLITICAL CAPITAL, THE POLLS TAKE EFFECT.

UNTIL THE RESULTS OF THE SEEDS I PLANTED BEAR FRUIT, AND THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET.

>> BRIAN, HOW DO DEMOCRATS VIEW THIS POLL, PERHAPS OPTIMISTICALLY, ALTHOUGH IT IS VERY EARLY POINT >> IT IS VERY EARLY, ALTHOUGH REMEMBER THE ECONOMIC INDICATORS ARE ALWAYS ABOUT THREE MONTHS BEHIND, SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE FULL EFFECTS OF THE TARIFFS FOR ANOTHER THREE MONTHS, SO THE CAPITAL YOU ARE SEEING IS JUST THE BOMBAST AND THE CHAOS.

YOU'RE GOING TO START TO SEE THE EFFECT OF THE TARIFFS IN ANOTHER THREE MONTHS OR SO, WITH CHAOS, AN EVENTFUL 100 DAYS, CHANGING JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING, INCLUDING --I DON'T KNOW IF HE GOT HIS INTERIOR DECORATOR FROM SADDAM HUSSEIN OR WHAT FOR THE OVAL OFFICE, BUT HE HAS CHANGED THINGS.

I'M JUST NOT SURE PEOPLE ARE REALLY TYING INTO THE SPIRIT >> THE MAIN IMPACTS SO FAR ON THE TARIFFS HAS BEEN ON THE STOCK MARKET BECAUSE OF THE UNCERTAINTY.

I DON'T THINK PEOPLE HAVE PER SE, YET, ANDREW.

COMPANIES HAVE SEEN SOMETHING ON THE EDGES, BUT IT IS MORE FEAR OF THE UNCERTAINTY WITH TARIFFS, CORRECT?

YEAH, I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING SOME OF THIS STUFF INCLUDING THE LOOP OVER $800 OR LESS FROM CHINA, THAT'S HOW PEOPLE CAN BUY THINGS FROM WEBSITES LIKE THE MOVIE AND I DON'T SHOP ON THOSE SITES, BUT I HAVE BEEN READING ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO.

I WONDER IF THAT IS GOING TO HAVE AN EFFECT.

I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE DOWN TO NORMAL PEOPLE, IF SOME OF THE HESITANCY THAT BUSINESSES HAVE HAD BECAUSE OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT TARIFFS WILL DO, IF THAT TRANSLATES TO JOB CONTRACTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT IS WHAT I LOOK AT IT FOR.

I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE REAL CHANGES IN THE ECONOMY TO HAVE AN EFFECT.

>> I TALKED TO A GENTLEMAN HERE WHO RUNS A GAMING COMPANY, LIKE BOARD GAMES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

HE HAD TO ORDER AS MUCH AS HE COULD AHEAD OF TIME BEFORE THIS HAPPENED TO PAY THE 20%.

NOW, MOST OF THAT INDUSTRY IS IN FEAR BECAUSE THEY DO THEIR SO, WHATEVER HAPPENS HERE, EVEN IF HE BACKS AWAY, IT IS GOING TO HAVE AN EFFECT FOR THE NEXT SIX TO NINE MONTHS.

>> 66% OF THE RESPONDENTS THOUGHT THAT TARIFFS WOULD HELP LARGE CORPORATIONS OR THE VERY WEALTHY MARKET, IS THAT A WORRY SOME POINT?

>> YEAH, PEOPLE DON'T TYPICALLY UNDERSTAND TARIFFS, THEY READ THE PAPERS AND WE SEE A LOT OF COMMENTARY ABOUT THAT.

POLLS SUGGEST THAT PEOPLE'S ARE FAVORING TARIFFS ON CHINA WHERE MOST OF OUR GOODS COME FROM, AND WE WERE SHOCKED TO LEARN HOW MUCH OF OUR MEDICAL SUPPLIES CAME FROM CHINA IN 2020.

THE CHANGE FROM STUFF IN CHINA TO STUFF BEING BORN IN AMERICA IS GOING TO BE DISRUPTIVE AT FIRST, BUT IN THE LONG RUN, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PREFERRED TO HAVE THEIR PRODUCTS MADE HERE.

>> ONLY 3% OF THOSE POLLED, WE TALKED ABOUT THE UNCERTAINTY AND ECONOMIC ISSUES AND TARIFFS, THE BOMBAST, ONLY 3% REGRET THEIR VOTE, THOUGH.

>> YEAH, I MEAN, WE ARE IN A HYPER-PARTISAN ENVIRONMENT, WHERE PEOPLE WERE VOTING FOR ONE CANDIDATE OR THEY WERE VOTING FOR ANOTHER CANDIDATE.

I THINK THERE ARE FEWER AND FEWER UNDECIDED INDEPENDENCE IN THE WAY THAT THERE WERE MAYBE 10, 20 YEARS AGO.

OF COURSE, THAT IS A LITTLE ANECDOTAL, BUT [ INAUDIBLE ], AND I THINK IT WOULD TAKE A LOT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE, LIKE ANDREW SAID, STRONG, ARDENT TRUMP SUPPORTERS, TO SUDDENLY GO BACK ON THAT.

>> [ INAUDIBLE ] IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT TRUMPS APPROVAL RATING IN OHIO, I WONDER WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S APPROVAL RATING IS.

>> [ INAUDIBLE ] BIDEN-KAMALA HARRIS.

BUT 8% OF INDEPENDENTS, BRIAN, REGRET THEIR VOTE.

SOME OTHER FOLKS WHO MAY BE VOTED FOR TRUMP BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE KAMALA HARRIS, [ INAUDIBLE ] >> YOU WATCH HOW IT IS MOVING SOME OF THOSE FOLKS, PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T SHOW UP AND VOTE ACTUALLY, WHICH WAS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE FOR DEMOCRATS.

YEAH, YOU HAVE CAPITAL, BUT THAT CAPITAL IN THE 100 DAYS HAS PLUMMETED, AND EVEN GOVERNOR DEWINE'S NUMBERS, WHICH WE WILL GET TO ON THE OHIO STUFF, ARE DOWN, AND IT HAS GOT TO BE [ INAUDIBLE ].

>> SO, MARK, WHEN DO CAMPAIGNS, POLITICIANS, ELECTED OFFICIALS, WHEN DO THEY REALLY START TO LOOK AT THE POLLS?

IT IS VERY EARLY, IS IT MIDWAY THROUGH THEIR TERM, FIRST YEAR OF THEIR TERM?

WHEN DO FOLKS PAY ATTENTION OF HOW THEY ARE DOING?

>> WELL, THE CANDIDATES THEMSELVES LIKE POLLS, IT IS A CRACK COCAINE OF THE POLITICAL INDUSTRY, THEY WANT TO SEE HOW THEY'RE DOING.

FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE UPCOMING MIDTERM ELECTION, HE WILL START LOOKING AT JANUARY, FEBRUARY, DURING FILING DEADLINE, BECAUSE IF PRESIDENT TRUMP REALLY IS IN TROUBLE, HE WAS SEE BETTER DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES MOVING FORWARD TO RUN.

AND IF HE IS NOT, HE WILL SEE WARS, AND AS RESULT, [ INAUDIBLE ].

>> HOW DOES THIS AFFECT LAWMAKING IN WASHINGTON?

IF YOU'RE A CONGRESSPERSON WHO REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN IN A REPUBLICAN DISTRICT -- >> THERE IS GOING TO BE A TIPPING POINT AT SOME POINT.

I WILL SAY THIS, THE RETRIBUTION HERE WITH THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE AS HELD HIS PARTY IN CHECK, BECAUSE HE USES THAT, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL MEDIA.

BUT AT SOME POINT, IF THIS STARTS TO ERODE, I MEAN, THEY HAVE TO GET THROUGH A PRIMARY, TOO, BUT THEY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING ELECTED IN THE GENERAL, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME PEOPLE SHIFT.

YOU ALREADY SAW IT A LITTLE BIT WITH HEGSETH.

>> ALSO TOOK A LOOK AT CANDIDATES AND POSSIBLE CANDIDATES FOR OHIO GOVERNOR NEXT YEAR.

OF THE REPUBLICANS RUNNING OR POSSIBLY RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR, BUSINESSMAN VIVEK RAMASWAMY LEADS WITH 64% SUPPORT, THAT IS A LOT MORE THAN LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR JIM TRESSEL WHO MAY OR MAY NOT RUN, HE IS AT 14%.

ATTORNEY GENERAL DAVE YOST IS AT 13%.

HILL IS AT 4%.

ON THE DEMOCRAT SIDE, SHERROD BROWN, [ INAUDIBLE ], IS THAT 59%.

FORMER HEALTH DIRECTOR AMY IS AT 20%.

FORMER CONGRESSMAN TIM RYAN IS AT 58%, HE, TOO, IS NOT YET A CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR IN 2026.

>> EARLY, VERY EARLY, AND THESE CANDIDATES, WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE RUNNING, WHAT TAKEAWAYS DO YOU HAVE?

>> WELL, YOU SEE ANECDOTAL THINGS.

YOU SEE BETWEEN VIVEK RAMASWAMY, GIVEN THE HEAD TO HEADS, YOU SEE AMY IS DOING PRETTY WELL AGAINST YOST AND SOME OF THE INCUMBENTS.

BETWEEN HER AND VIVEK, IT IS LIKE FIVE POINTS, WITH IT -- WHICH IS WITHIN THE MARGIN.

SHE HAS GOT 49% UNKNOWN FACTORS, WHICH MEANS THAT AS PEOPLE GET TO KNOW HER, IF SHE DEFINES HERSELF WELL, SHE HAS GOT A GOOD SHOT.

WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, I THINK, IS A GENERAL PULLBACK FROM TRADITIONAL NAMES.

[ INAUDIBLE ] AND I THINK IT IS REFLECTED IN THE POLLS.

>> WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT, MARK, A LOT OF NEW FACES?

>> DEMOCRATS DON'T HAVE A CANDIDATE NATIONALLY OR HERE IN OHIO.

SHERROD BROWN CHOOSES NOT TO RUN AGAIN, THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ALMOST NO CHANCE OF WINNING ANYTHING.

JENNIFER MIGHT LEAVE THE SUPREME COURT, SHE HAS A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE DEMOCRATS WERE HOPING SHERROD BROWN WOULD RUN AGAIN.

HE IS KIND OF LIKE THE CLINT EASTWOOD.

HE HAS DONE WELL, IT IS THE END OF HIS CAREER, AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE MORE BLOCKBUSTER FILM FROM HIM, THE QUESTION IS DOES HE RUN?

>> AMY ACTON AND JIM TRESSEL, LIKE ROUGHLY 50% OF VOTERS SURVEYED SAY THEY DON'T KNOW ENOUGH.

THEY KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE, AMY ACTON HAS BEEN HEALTH DIRECTOR.

[ INAUDIBLE ] THEY JUST DON'T KNOW THEIR POLITICS, RIGHT?

>> SURE, AND I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID, ESPECIALLY IN TRESSEL'S CASE, THAT HE IS NOT CLEAR, HE HASN'T SAID HE IS RUNNING, BUT THERE ARE NO ADS IN THE WAITRESSING ADS FOR VIVEK RAMASWAMY.

YOU HAVE SEEN IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, ESPECIALLY AMONG ELECTED OFFICIALS HERE IN OHIO, REALLY COALESCING AROUND VIVEK RAMASWAMY, AND REALLY URGING ALMOST THIS IDEA OF UNITY IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, SO THAT SIGNALS TO ME THAT THERE MAY BE SOME AT LEAST CONCERN ABOUT TRESSEL JUMPING IN, BUT IT IS OBVIOUSLY TOO EARLY TO TELL.

>> HAPPY WITH THESE NUMBERS, RIGHT, ANDREW?

>> HE SEES THEM JUST LIKE WE DO.

I TAKE POLLS IN OHIO, I HAVE SEEN IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WHERE THEY DON'T REALLY CAPTURE WHAT IS GOING ON, BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A 50 POINT --WE DON'T REALLY NEED PERSPECTIVE TO MEASURE THAT.

I KNOW PEOPLE TALK ABOUT WHETHER YOST MIGHT DROP OUT, PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT HE WANTS TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.

BUT WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

>> THE HYPOTHETICAL MATCHUPS, BRIAN, YOU MENTIONED THEM, REPUBLICANS WIN THEM ALL.

>> [ INAUDIBLE ] AT THIS POINT.

BUT I ALSO THINK THAT IT'S VERY NARROW.

IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE, SPECIFICALLY WITH AMY ACTON, AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY SHE HAS RAISED, SHE RAISED $600,000 BEFORE THAT.

I MEAN, IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE A NONINCUMBENT DEMOCRAT RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR AS BEEN ABLE TO RAISE $700,000.

I KNOW SOME CANDIDATES NEVER GOT THERE.

>> BACK WHEN DeWINE FIRST WON THE GOVERNOR'S RACE, [ INAUDIBLE ] DO YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE IF SHERROD BROWN RUNS FOR GOVERNOR, AMY ACTON DOES LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, OR TIM RYAN?

WHEN A MORE EXPERIENCED POLITICIAN COMES ON, A NEWER FACE?

>> IT MAKES SENSE, IT WAS A GREAT SITUATION FOR MIKE DeWINE AND JOHN HUGHES STATED.

WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT A PRIMARY.

WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY.

IF SHERROD BROWN CAN GET TOGETHER WITH ONE OF THOSE TWO CANDIDATES, IT CAN HELP.

AND THIS PARTY HAS CHANGED AS SORRY, THE STATE HAS CHANGED AS HE HAS GROWN OLDER.

AS A RESULT, HE IS UNLIKELY TO RUN, I THINK.

>> IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO TWO, ALSO, THE POPULARITY OF DONALD TRUMP.

VIVEK RAMASWAMY HAS TIED HIMSELF TO DONALD TRUMP AND DONALD TRUMP'S APPROVAL RATINGS CONTINUE TO SINK, IF THESE TARIFFS HAVE THAT EFFECT AND WE GO INTO A RECESSION, THAT IS GOING TO GIVE DAVE YOST SOME HOPE.

>> NOT TO SHIFT TOO MUCH, BUT I ASKED SENATOR JON HUSTED ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE OF COURSE RIGHT NOW, [ INAUDIBLE ] TO BE A ONE- MAN RACE, AND SHERROD BROWN COULD BE RUNNING IN THAT RACE AS WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO DISCOUNT HIS FIRM RUNNING FOR SENATE.

JON HUSTED TOLD ME DONALD TRUMP WAS ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR PRESIDENTS IN MODERN HISTORY AND I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD CHANGE VERY MUCH.

TRUMP HAS ENDURED AS A POSITIVE BRAND IN THIS STATE.

HE TALKED ABOUT HIS FIRST 100 DAYS, TRUMP HAS BEEN RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT NOW OR SERVING AS PRESIDENT NOW SINCE I WAS 16 YEARS OLD, SO HE HAS, YOU KNOW, IS GOING TO BE TOUGH TO SAY.

>> DONALD TRUMP WON THE STATE BY A LOT.

AND THAT LEAD FOR VIVEK RAMASWAMY, IT SHRUNK QUITE A BIT ALREADY PAID A LONG WAY TO GO, THOUGH.

THE MAY PRIMARY IS ABOUT A YEAR AWAY.

ANYWAY, THE CLEVELAND BROWNS.

FANS THIS WEEK QUESTIONING THE TEAM DRAFTING TWO QUARTERBACKS, AND STATE OFFICIALS QUESTION THE BROWNS OWNER REVENUE PROJECTIONS FOR A PROPOSED DOMED STADIUM JUST OUTSIDE OF CLEVELAND.

AS YOU MAY KNOW, THE BROWNS WANT THE STATE TO HELP PAY FOR THE DOME, THE HOUSE OKAYED A PLAN TO BORROW.

THE PLAN WILL GENERATE MORE THAN ENOUGH TAX REVENUE TO PAY OFF THE LOANS AND INTEREST PAYMENTS, BUT [ INAUDIBLE ] CALLS THE TEAMS REVENUE ESTIMATES OVERLY OPTIMISTIC.

MANAGEMENT CALLED THE BOND PACKAGE RISKY.

BROWNS DISPUTE THERE ARE REPORTS FINDINGS.

SARAH DONALDSON, LAWMAKERS WILL DECIDE THIS, ARE THEY NOW HAVING REALLY COLD FEET, ARE THEY TRYING TO REWORK THE DEAL?

WHAT IS GOING ON?

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT I AM SEEING COLD FEET FROM REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS YET.

VIVEK RAMASWAMY HAS REALLY KEPT HIS CARDS CLOSE TO HIS CHEST.

THE MINORITY LEADER NIKKI TURNED OUT EARLIER THIS WEEK, SHE IS TALKING WITH LAWMAKERS, BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, ABOUT ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS.

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO GET ACROSS THE SERVICE COMMISSION IS AN OFFICE THAT REVIEWS LEGISLATION FOR STATE LAWMAKERS.

[ INAUDIBLE ] A VERY OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THAT ACROSS.

OF COURSE, THE BROWNS AND THE FAMILY ARE CASTING SOME DOUBT ON THAT ANALYSIS.

>> OMB IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DeWINE ADMINISTRATION AND HAS DIFFERENT PLANS.

[ INAUDIBLE ] STUDY AFTER STUDY SHOWS THAT THESE STADIUM DEALS DO NOT PAN OUT THE WAY ORIGINAL BACKERS SAY THEY DO.

>> THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE WROTE IN THEIR ANALYSIS, THEY SAID THEY COULDN'T GET THE DETAIL NUMBERS FROM THE BROWNS, THE KIND OF TALK LIKE A 50,000 FOOT VIEW, THAT SEEMS LIKE EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID.

[ INAUDIBLE ] IT IS MORE LIKE A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT, IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT TICKETS FOR THE TEENS.

BUT I REMEMBER, I HAVE STUDIED THAT IN THE PAST, THEY HAVE GOTTEN LOCAL TAX MONEY FOR A LONG TIME.

THERE IS CONSENSUS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TRUE, PEOPLE ACTUALLY STUDY IT FROM AN ACADEMIC STANDPOINT.

>> SO, THEY GET THESE REPORTS, HOW DO LAWMAKERS VIEW THESE?

IT DOESN'T GIVE THEM ANY POLITICAL COVER, BUT [ INAUDIBLE ] >> YEAH, THE REPUBLICANS TYPICALLY DOES LIKE THE GOVERNMENT MONEY GOING INTO PRIVATE ENTERPRISE.

PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU DO THE ANALYSIS, YOU HAVE TO FORECAST HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL BE SHOWING UP TO THAT STADIUM, AND SO, WE KNOW THAT WHEN TEAMS WIN, WE SELL OUT STADIUMS, AND WHEN TEAMS LOSE, WE TEND NOT TO.

>> [ INAUDIBLE ] WHICH IS AMAZING.

>> I HEAR THAT, THE QUESTION IS WILL THEY KEEP DOING THAT AND WILL IT BE ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE SURE THIS IS A GOOD INVESTMENT?

I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

>> I DOUBT THE DOUBT.

MONEY SYMBOL.

FED THE SYSTEM VERY WELL.

THIS LEGISLATURE, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS AN AIDE AND I WAS SKINNY AND I HAD DARK HAIR, I CAN TELL YOU THAT PEOPLE PAID ATTENTION TO THAT STUFF, BUT AFTER TERM LIMITS, AFTER THE WAY MONEY HAS INVADED OUR STATE HOUSE, THIS IS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION, IT IS JUST A MATTER OF HOW IT IS STRUCTURED.

>> I HAD ONE REPUBLICAN LAWMAKER TOMMY JUST IN CONVERSATION THAT IF IT WERE AN UP AND DOWN VOTE, IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE FAILED IN THE HOUSE.

THAT WAS KIND OF PREEMPTIVE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PROCEDURAL THINGS GOING ON IN THE HOUSE WHEN THIS PACKAGE HAS TO THE HOUSE, BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A TRUE UP AND DOWN VOTE ON THE PROPOSAL, BUT IT IS NOT TERRIBLY POPULAR AMONG REPUBLICANS, EVEN IF THEY ARE ULTIMATELY SUPPORTING IT.

>> THE OMB REPORT, THE STATE WOULD OWN THE STADIUM.

I DON'T THINK I WAS AWARE OF THAT.

SO, WHEN YOU OWN A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY.

IT COULD COST MONEY DOWN THE ROAD.

IS IT A GOOD IDEA FOR THE STATE TO OWN THIS PROPERTY?

[ INAUDIBLE ] >> FIND A NEW LOCATION FOR THE STATE FAIR, RIGHT?

MIKE DeWINE HAS IDEAS.

>> THE CITY HAS 18,000 PEOPLE, SO YOU ARE ASKING A BOND AND COMPANY TO BASE THOSE BONDS ON A MUNICIPALITY, AND WHEN YOU HAVE GOT A MUNICIPALITY THAT IS [ INAUDIBLE ], I'M NOT A BOND EXPERT, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT'S WHY THE STATE [ INAUDIBLE ].

>> [ INAUDIBLE ] >> I'M SURE THERE WILL BE A LONG-TERM LEASE AND THEY ARE GOING TO OWN THE AREAS AROUND IT.

>> [ INAUDIBLE ] IF YOU READ CLEVELAND.COM THIS WEEK, YOUR HEARING ALSO THAT THERE IS $100 MILLION ON THE TABLE FOR CLEVELAND TO FIX UP THE LAKEFRONT.

PERHAPS THEY WILL SWEETEN THE DEAL, EVEN FOR LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL TEENS.

>> TO ME, THAT WOULD BE A COMPELLING ARGUMENT.

OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE MONEY TO THE BROWNS TO BUILD THE STADIUM, BUT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THE OLD STADIUM OFF THE LAKE, OPEN THAT LAND UP FOR DEVELOPMENT OR RECREATION AREA.

IS THAT AN ARGUMENT WE ARE NOT HEARING ENOUGH OF MAYBE?

>> [ INAUDIBLE ] IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MORE THAN JUST FOOTBALL.

OTHER REASONS FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO CLEVELAND AND ENJOYED WHAT IS A BEAUTIFUL LAKEFRONT OR WHAT CAN BE MADE INTO A MUCH MORE BEAUTIFUL LAKEFRONT.

I LIKE THE WAY YOU'RE THINKING.

>> WHATEVER.

LAST TOPIC, QUALIFIED IMMUNITY IS BACK IN THE NEWS.

AFTER THE MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD AND OTHER HIGH-PROFILE CASES, [ INAUDIBLE ] TO ELIMINATE ILLEGAL PRODUCTION FOR POLICE AND OTHER GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.

[ INAUDIBLE ] AIMS TO PROTECT OFFICERS FROM BEING SUED FOR PERFORMING THEIR DUTIES IN A REASONABLE FASHION.

X SAY IT GOES TOO FAR AND LIMITS POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY.

NOW, VOTERS COULD DECIDE THE ISSUE, LOOKING TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION TO END IMMUNITY AND COLLECT SIGNATURES TO GET ON THE 2026 BALLOT.

MARK, YOU ARE OUR ATTORNEY, YOU ARE ALSO [ INAUDIBLE ] POLICE UNION.

WHY IS THERE A LEGAL REASON FOR QUALIFIED IMMUNITY?

>> WELL, LEGALLY, IF A POLICE OFFICER IS TRYING TO DO HIS OR HER JOB AND FOLLOW HIS OR HER TRAINING, THEY SHOULD HAVE THE CONFIDENCE TO KNOW THAT IF A MISTAKE HAPPENS, THAT THEY MIGHT GET DISCIPLINED, BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO BE SUED PERSONALLY FOR THEIR HOUSE AND THEIR KIDS BANK ACCOUNT OR COLLEGE ACCOUNT.

IT IS ONLY WHEN THEY ACT OUTSIDE THEIR TRAINING [ INAUDIBLE ] WHERE THEY LOSE THAT IMMUNITY.

RIGHT NOW, WHEN I TALKED TO POLICE CHIEFS, THEY ARE HAVING TROUBLE RECRUITING PEOPLE INTO POLICE WORK.

THE OFFICERS ARE RETIRING AS QUICK AS I CAN AND THEY ARE NOT GETTING THE BEST PEOPLE IN.

IF YOU TELL SOMEBODY WHO IS GOING TO MAKE $50,000 A YEAR WITH A TARGET ON THEIR BACK AS A POLICE OFFICER, AND BY THE WAY, IF YOU MAKE A MISTAKE, YOUR MONEY, FEWER PEOPLE WILL JOIN POLICE WORK, IT IS A DANGEROUS PROPOSAL.

>> BRIAN, WHY SHOULD NOT JUST POLICE, COLLEGE TEENS ARE PROTECTED BY THIS, SOCIAL WORKERS ARE PROTECTED BY THIS, WHY SHOULD THEY HAVE ADDED PROTECTION THAT AVERAGE FOLKS DON'T?

>> YOU GO BACK TO THE ORIGINS OF WHEN THIS WAS PUT IN PLACE AND HOW IT HAS BEEN NARROWED, IT IS A VERY NARROW SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH SOMEONE CAN SUE.

IT HAS TO DO WITH SOMEONE'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

AND YOU KNOW, I LOVE OUR OFFICERS, RESPECT OUR OFFICERS, BUT THERE IS A BAD APPLE IN ALMOST EVERY PROFESSION THAT YOU CAN FIND ONCE IN A WHILE, WHO STEPS OUT OF LINE.

SO, THE QUESTION BECOMES HOW CAN A PERSON IN CIVIL COURT BE DEFENDED WHEN THAT SITUATION HAPPENS?

AND UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE WE ARE SUCH A POLARIZED, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY AND A POLARIZED ELECTORATE, I THINK PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE NO RECOURSE ANYMORE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST HAVE PEOPLE EITHER 100% BACKING ONE WAY OR 100% BACKING ANOTHER WAY.

AND I THINK THERE IS A REAL FEAR ABOUT CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS.

>> [ INAUDIBLE ] WHICH IS REALLY THE DEEPER POCKET, AND THE NOTION OF LET'S FORGET THE CITY AND THE DEEPER POCKET, I MIGHT SUE THEM, BUT I REALLY WANT TO GO AFTER THIS PERSON WHO IS LIVING IN A $100,000 HOUSE, MAKING $75,000 A YEAR WITH THERE KIDS, [ INAUDIBLE ] >> IF THEY DO FACE THE POSSIBILITY OF CIVIL THREATS.

>> I THINK POLICE OFFICERS ARE ONE OF THE MOST TRAINED PROFESSIONS OUT THERE BUT I THINK THEY NORMALLY DO ACT RESPONSIBLY.

IT IS ONE OF THE FEW PROFESSIONS WHERE THEY HAVE TO MAKE A LIFE OR DEATH DECISION AND THREE SECONDS.

ANYBODY WHO CAN WATCH A VIDEO IS READY TO JUDGE YOU AND SAY I WOULD HAVE DONE IT THAT WAY, I WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THAT I DIDN'T HAVE A GUN.

>> BUT YOU CAN'T SAY [ INAUDIBLE ].

>> YOU CAN ACTUALLY BREAK THROUGH [ INAUDIBLE ] >> IT AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, [ INAUDIBLE ] UNTIL THE U.S. SUPREME COURT TOLD HIM THE LANGUAGE WAS GOOD.

>> SURE, AND ATTORNEY GENERAL DAVE YOST IS OF COURSE KIND OF THE TOP COP IN OHIO, AND HE HAS VOICED HIS PERSONAL OPPOSITION, HE OF COURSE SAYS HE HAS LED OTHER PROPOSALS ON THE BALLOT GO FORWARD THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO AS WELL, LIKE ABORTION.

THERE IS GOING TO BE A VERY STRONG OPPOSITION TO CAMPAIGN IF IT DOES IN FACT MOVE FORWARD.

[ INAUDIBLE ] MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE FIREFIGHTER UNIONS, CORRECTIONS OFFICER UNIONS, IT SPANS BEYOND JUST CASES OF POLICE BRUTALITY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE SOMETIMES USED FOR MISCONDUCT, SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.

I THINK IT IS OFTEN FOCUSED ON THAT BROAD SCOPE OR THAT NARROW SCOPE OF POLICE BRUTALITY, BUT IT IS A CHALLENGING LEGAL DOCUMENT TO UNDERSTAND, AND THE BURDEN IS ON THE PETITION TO EXPLAIN TO VOTERS WHY IT SHOULD EVEN MAKE THE BALLOT.

>> COMPLICATED ISSUES DO NOT DO WELL ON BALLOTS.

[ INAUDIBLE ] PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE COMPLICATED.

>> YEAH, I REALIZE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE TO THE PROPOSAL, SO THERE IS DISCUSSION TO HAVE THERE, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS CAMPAIGN HAVE THE RESOURCES THAT IT TAKES TO GET THIS ON THE BALLOT.

YOU HAVE TO COLLECT LIKE 700,000 SIGNATURES REALISTICALLY TO GET ON THE BALLOT.

I THINK THE MOST INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS IS THAT THE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN DAVE YOST AND THE PETITIONERS AND ULTIMATELY ALL THE LITIGATION THAT OCCURRED MAYBE HAS OPENED THE DOOR WIDER FOR OTHER CAMPAIGNS IN THE FUTURE, OR MAYBE WILL RESTRICT YOST OR HIS SUCCESSORS FROM TRYING TO BLOCK THEM.

BUT AS FAR AS THE LIKELIHOOD OF MAKING THE BALLOT, IT'S VERY LOW.

>> [ INAUDIBLE ] >> TALKED ABOUT TRUMP'S FIRST 100 DAYS OF HIS POLICIES, HE HAS ALSO BEEN SETTING OUT BEAR TRAPS FOR DEMOCRATS AND THEY SEEM TO BE STEPPING INTO THEM.

THE BIGGEST ONE WAS THE DEPORTED WRONGFULLY.

WE NOW KNOW, THE EVIDENCE HAS SHOWN HE IS A WIFE ABUSER, A GANG MEMBER, HE MIGHT BE A HUMAN TRAFFICKER, AND A LOT OF DEMOCRATS [ INAUDIBLE ] I THINK THEY WILL BE SORRY THEY DID.

>> BRIAN?

>> I'M GOING TO SHIFT GEARS.

[ INAUDIBLE ] BOND PACKAGE WILL PROVIDE FOR ROADS FOR COUNTIES AND CITIES, AND IF YOU HAVE LIVED IN A PLACE LIKE I DID FOR A WHILE, MICHIGAN, WHERE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT DEFINED POT OF MONEY FOR COUNTIES AND CITIES, YOU UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING THAT.

>> ANDREW?

>> I'M VERY EXCITED THAT THE BLUE DANUBE, A DINER WHICH HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, BUT WAS CLOSED IN 2018, HAS REOPENED.

I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GO THERE YET, BUT I WILL HAVE A CHANCE AT SOME POINT, HOPEFULLY SOON.

SARAH?

>> I AM BEYOND EXCITED TO SEE [ INAUDIBLE ], THE STEELERS.

GO, STEELERS.

>> MY PATRIOTS WILL BE GLAD TO BE THERE AS WELL.

I'M A FORMER BUCKEYE.

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