>> HELLO, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO AMANPOUR & CO..

HERE'S WHAT'S COMING UP.

A WARNING THAT THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO OF FAMINE IS NOW UNFOLDING IN GAZA AS THE DEATH TOLL FROM STARVATION MOUNTS, I SPEAK WITH OUR CORRESPONDENT.

>> SUPPORT FOR DEMOCRATS IT'S A NEW LOW.

NEW POLLING SHOWS THAT AMERICANS TRUST REPUBLICANS ON THE ISSUE THAT DRIVES VOTERS.

WE LOOK AT WHAT THESE NUMBERS MEAN FOR UPCOMING ELECTIONS WITH DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN.

>> ALSO, WORDS TO LIVE BY FROM NASHVILLE STAR MARGOT PRICE WHO TALKS TO ME ABOUT MUSIC, FAMILY AND BEING A HARDHEADED WOMAN.

AND LATER-- >> THE REALITY IS THAT OUR DISTRO CULTURE IS IN CONSTANT FLUX.

AND RIGHT NOW, THE QUESTION OF WHO WE TRUST IS ALSO IN FLUX.

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>> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE.

I AM SITTING IN FOR CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR WIDESPREAD STARVATION, MALNUTRITION AND DISEASE ARE DRIVING A RISE IN HUNGER RELATED DEATHS IN GAZA.

THIS IS ACCORDING TO A NEW ALERT FROM A UNITED NATIONS BACKED INITIATIVE ANALYZING HUMANITARIAN DATA THERE.

AND ALERT ISSUED TODAY THE GROUP WARNS THAT A WORST-CASE SCENARIO OF FAMINE IS CURRENTLY PLAYING OUT AS ACCESS TO FOOD AND ESSENTIAL SERVICES HAS PLUMMETED TO UNPRECEDENTED LEVELS.

MORE THAN 20,000 PALESTINIAN CHILDREN WERE ADMITTED FOR TREATMENT FOR ACUTE MALNUTRITION BETWEEN APRIL AND MID JULY, THE IPC SAID.

EARLIER TODAY ONE ISRAELI ECONOMIST TOLD ME THAT SCARCITY DRIVEN PRICE HIKES ARE SIMPLY NOT SUSTAINABLE.

>> NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PRICE HIKE, IN SOME PLACES AT CERTAIN TIMES AT LEAST OVER THE LAST WEEK OF BETWEEN 50 TO 100 FOLD WELL IT RELATIVE TO PRE- OCTOBER 7 PRICES.

THIS IS SIMPLY NOT SUSTAINABLE AND I WANT TO POINT OUT THIS TREND TO THE ISRAELI DECISION- MAKERS, TO THE PUBLIC, TO THE MEDIA TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THIS TIME IT IS DIFFERENT AND FAMINE IS AN ACTUAL DANGER RIGHT NOW.

>> THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT SAYS IT IS REVERSING COURSE PAUSING MILITARY OPERATIONS DURING THE DAY AND DESIGNATING SECURE ROUTES TO ENSURE THE SAFE PASSAGE OF AID CONVOYS.

NONETHELESS THE UN SAYS HUMANITARIAN GROUPS ARE STILL FACING HUGE IDF RESTRICTIONS THAT MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO GET AID OUT.

THE QUESTION NOW, WILL THIS TRICKLE OF AID COME TOO LATE TO STAVE-- SAVE GAZA'S STARVING POPULATION?

JEREMY IS COVERING THE CRISIS.

WE ARE ENTERING DAY THREE OF STRATEGIC PAUSES WHERE THE IDF IS ALLOWING HUMANITARIAN AID TO COME IN.

TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT IS HAPPENING-- HAVING THUS FAR.

WHAT IS THE RESULT OF THESE PAUSES?

>> IT SEEMS VERY CLEAR THAT FROM THE RESULTS ON THE GROUND, THAT MORE TRUCKS ARE GETTING DISTRIBUTED IN GAZA.

ON SUNDAY WE SAW ABOUT 100 TRUCKS THAT WERE ABLE TO BE DISTRIBUTED IN GAZA.

YESTERDAY THE ISRAELI MILITARY PUT THAT FIGURE OUT ABOUT 200 SO WE ARE SEEING A DOUBLING OF THOSE NUMBERS BUT WHAT IS ALSO CLEAR ACCORDING TO HIM UNITARIAN AID OFFICIALS IS THAT THE TREND NEEDS TO CONTINUE BECAUSE REALLY WHAT GAZA NEEDS IS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF 500 TO 600 TRUCKS PER DAY WHICH ARE THE NUMBERS WE SAW DURING THAT LAST CEASE-FIRE.

BUT FOR TOO MANY IN GAZA, WE KNOW THAT IT IS ALREADY TOO LATE.

>> DESPERATE AND HUNGRY, THOUSANDS OF PALESTINIANS SCRAMBLE ONTO AID TRUCKS THAT HAVE JUST ENTERED THE GAZA STRIP.

THEY GRAB WHAT THEY CAN, ANYTHING FOR THE CHANCE TO FEED THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES.

MANY OF WHOM HAVE GONE DAYS WITHOUT FOOD.

THIS SEA OF DESPERATION DRIVEN BY MONTHS OF ISRAELI RESTRICTIONS ON DISTRIBUTION OF AID IN GAZA.

AMID GLOBAL OUTRAGE, ISRAEL IS NOW REVERSING COURSE, SEIZING FIRE IN PARTS OF GAZA FOR 10 HOURS A DAY.

AND OPENING DESIGNATED SECURE ROUTES TO ALLOW MORE AID TRUCKS TO COME IN.

STEPS HUMANITARIAN AID ORGANIZATIONS HAVE SOUGHT FOR MONTHS.

THE UN SAYS MORE THAN 100 TRUCKS OF AID WERE DELIVERED INTO GAZA ON SUNDAY.

MANY MORE WILL BE NEEDED TO EVEN BEGIN TO ALLEVIATE THIS CRISIS.

AS CHILDREN SCRAPE BITS OF FLOUR FROM THE BEDS OF THOSE TRUCKS, THE WORLD FOOD PROGRAM SAYS A QUARTER OF GAZA'S 2 MILLION+ POPULATION IS NOW EXPERIENCING FAMINE LIKE CONDITIONS.

ISRAEL ALSO ALLOWING AIR DROPS INTO GAZA FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MONTHS, SENDING PALESTINIANS RUNNING TO GRAB WHAT THEY CAN.

AS A RIFLE IS FIRED INTO THE AIR, A REMINDER THAT IT IS OFTEN THE STRONGEST, LIKE GANGS WHO STEAL AND RESELL FOOD FOR HIGHER PRICES, WHO ARE 1st TO EAT.

I DIDN'T GET ANYTHING, THIS ELDERLY LADY SAYS.

I WAS CRUSHED IN THE CROWD.

WHILE SOME MANAGED TO GRAB A FULL BOX OTHERS ARE MERGED WITH JUST A FEW ITEMS.

FLOUR, OIL AND PASTA, A FAR CRY FROM WHAT THEY WOULD GET IF ENOUGH TRUCKS WERE ENTERING GAZA.

THIS AID IS DISGRACEFUL.

WE ARE NOT DOGS TO BE MADE TO RUN AFTER AID.

PEOPLE FOUGHT OVER IT.

THIS MAN SAYS.

WOULD RATHER DIE OF HUNGER WITH DIGNITY THEN DIE IN HUMILIATION AND FILTH.

PALESTINIANS ARE ALSO STILL GETTING SHOT AND KILLED WHILE TRYING TO GET AID.

THE PALESTINIAN HEALTH MINISTRY SAID 25 PEOPLE WERE SHOT BY ISRAELI FORCES WHILE TRYING TO GET AID DURING THE PAST 24 HOURS.

ISRAELI MILITARY SAID IT WAS NOT AWARE OF ANY CASUALTIES.

HE IS ONLY 12 YEARS OLD.

WHAT WAS HIS FAULT?

THIS MAN CRIES OUT.

HE WENT TO GET FLOUR TO BE LITTLE CHILDREN.

HIS BROTHER SURVIVES ON SUGAR WATER TO FEEL FULL.

IN THE MORGUE OF THE HOSPITAL THIS BODY IS A TESTAMENT TO AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT WEAPON.

STARVATION HAS CLAIMED 20 MORE LIVES IN GAZA IN THE LAST TWO DAYS INCLUDING 12-YEAR-OLD NOOR.

SHE BECAME LIKE THIS BECAUSE OF HUNGER, THIRST, AND THE SIEGE , THE SIEGE IMPOSED ON US BY THE ISRAELIS, HER UNCLE SHOUTS.

THIS IS A PALESTINIAN CHILD.

HE SAYS THE WORLD WOULD BE OUTRAGED IF ONLY SHE HAD BEEN BORN ANYWHERE ELSE.

>> WHAT IS ESPECIALLY TRAGIC ABOUT THOSE IMAGES IS THINKING THAT HAD THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT TAKEN STEPS TO ALLOW THE SAFE COURT.

AND THESE TACTICAL PAUSES WEEKS OR MONTHS AGO, CHILDREN LIKE NOOR MIGHT STILL BE ALIVE.

AND BEYOND THAT DOCTORS AND HUMANITARIAN OFFICIALS HAVE WARNED THAT EVEN THOUGH FOOD IS STARTING TO GET INTO GAZA THAT DOES NOT MEAN THE STARVATION CRISIS DROPS OFF A CLIFF.

THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY IN THE SEVERE STATES OF ACUTE MALNUTRITION THAT IT'S PROBABLY TOO LATE TO SAVE MANY OF THEIR LIVES.

BIANNA?

>> A REAL ECONOMIST WHO HAS TRACKED THE ASTRONOMICAL SPIKE IN THE PRICE OF FOOD THERE SAYS THAT ULTIMATELY THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE THE UN TO DISTRIBUTE FOOD THE WAY THEY HAD PRIOR TO MARCH AND HE SAID IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT ACCEPTS, PERHAPS EVEN HAMAS REGAINING SOME OF ITS STRENGTH BUT GIVEN THIS CRISIS RIGHT NOW, THAT IS MORE OF A POSITIVE DIRECTION AND THE RIGHT DECISION TO BE MADE AS OPPOSED TO THIS HUMANITARIAN CRISIS THAT IS UNFOLDING BEFORE OUR EYES.

JEREMY I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE REACTION IN ISRAEL TO NEWS WE HEARD TODAY FROM THE BRITISH PRIME MINISTER FOLLOWING PRESIDENT MICRON OF FRANCE SAYING THAT THEY WILL RECOGNIZE THE STATE OF PALESTINE AT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN SEPTEMBER JUST A FEW WEEKS FROM NOW IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS ARE NOT MET BY THE ISRAELIS.

WHAT ARE THOSE CONDITIONS AND WHAT IS THE REACTION?

>> WHAT IS ESPECIALLY INTERESTING ABOUT THIS STATEMENT FROM THE BRITISH PRIME MINISTER, ARE THE CONDITIONS HE IS APPLYING TO.

WHEREAS FRANCE SAID THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE THIS STEP TO RECORDS RECOGNIZE A PALESTINIAN STATE IN SEPTEMBER, THE PRIME MINISTER IS APPLYING A FEW CONDITIONS SAYING THAT ISRAEL NEEDS TO AGREE TO A CEASE-FIRE, ALLEVIATE CONDITIONS IN GAZA AND COMMIT ITSELF TO CONCRETE STEPS TOWARD A TWO- STATE SOLUTION.

AND IF THOSE CONDITIONS ARE MET, THEN THAT RECOGNITION WILL NOT HAPPEN IN THE WAY HE IS SAYING.

IT IS QUITE A HIGH BAR THOUGH, ESPECIALLY FOR THIS RIGHT WING ISRAELI GOVERNMENT WHICH HAS DRIVEN FURTHER AND FURTHER AWAY FROM THE PROSPECTS OF A TWO- STATE SOLUTION.

WE HAVE HEARD ISRAELI OFFICIALS REPEATEDLY LAMENT ANY TIME ANY COUNTRY, PARTICULARLY EUROPEAN ALLIES TAKE THIS STEP OF RECOGNIZING A PALESTINIAN STATE, OR WHEN THEY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE THAT STEP IN THE FUTURE .

AND BEYOND THAT, IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE MOMENT AT WHICH THIS IS HAPPENING.

ISRAELI OFFICIALS WHO I HAVE SPOKEN TO HAVE SAID THIS IS THE WORST POSSIBLE MOMENT, IN THEIR MIND, FOR THESE ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN BECAUSE AT A TIME WHEN THEY ARE TRYING TO INCREASE THE PRESSURE ON HAMAS, THEY FEEL THIS INCREASES THE PRESSURE ON ISRAEL AND DECREASES THE PRESSURE ON HAMAS.

WE HEARD THE ISRAELI FOREIGN MINISTER SPEAKING TO THIS EARLIER TODAY WHEN HE SAID THE PRESSURE THAT ISRAEL IS NOW FACING NOT JUST AS A RESULT OF THIS PALESTINE RECOGNITION ISSUE BUT A RESULT OF STARVATION IN GAZA, HE SAID THIS IS CAUSING HAMAS TO HARDEN ITS POSITION AND SAYING IT IS SABOTAGING CHANCES FOR A CEASE- FIRE AND HOSTAGE DEAL.

THAT INCREASE OF PRESSURE IS A DIRECT RESULT OF WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN GAZA AND A DIRECT RESULT OF ISRAELI POLICIES THAT HAVE DRIVEN CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND.

>> NO DOUBT THESE FOOD SHORTAGES AND FAMINE THAT IS CONTINUING TO PLAGUE POCKETS OF THE ENCLAVE AS SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS HAMAS AND ONE OF THE REASONS THEY HAVE DUG IN THEIR HEELS.

BUT AS YOU SAID THIS WAS A SELF- INFLICTED WOUND AS THEY INSTITUTED THAT BLOCKADE AND TOOK OVER DISTRIBUTION TO AID A FEW MONTHS AGO.

JEREMY AS ALL OF THIS IS UNFOLDING WE KNOW THAT VIOLENCE IS ALSO TAKING PLACE IN THE WEST BANK AND ISRAELI SETTLER HAS KILLED A PROMINENT WEST BANK ACTIVIST AND FILMMAKER.

TELL US MORE ABOUT THAT.

>> HE IS A PALESTINIAN ACTIVIST AND WORKED AS A PRODUCER ON THE OSCAR AWARD-WINNING DOCUMENTARY NO OTHER LAND.

HE DIED ON MONDAY AFTER BEING SHOT BY A JEWISH SETTLER ALLEGEDLY IN THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK.

POLICE SAY THEY HAVE DETAINED ONE ISRAELI CIVILIAN IN CONNECTION WITH THIS SHOOTING.

WHAT IS INTERESTING HERE IS THAT THIS IS AN ISRAELI SETTLER WHO WAS NO NOT ONLY TO ACTIVIST IN THE WEST BANK BUT MORE BROADLY THAN THAT, HE HAS BEEN SANCTIONED BY THE UNITED STATES AND BY OTHER COUNTRIES WHICH HAPPENED UNDER THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION EARLIER THIS YEAR LIFTED THOSE SANCTIONS ON YINON LEVI .

LEVI WAS DETAINED, QUESTIONED BY POLICE AND RELEASED ON HOUSE ARREST.

HE HAD BEEN FILMED AT THE SCENE VERY NEAR TO WHEREFIVE 'S BODY WAS FOUND-- WHERE HATHALEEN FIVE'S BODY WAS FOUND.

BUT HE WAS FOUND PISTOL IN HAND NEAR A GROUP OF ACTIVISTS.

WE DID NOT SEE HIM FIRING SHOTS BUT THIS IS PART AND PARCEL OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING ON THE WEST BANK SINCE THE WAR BROKE OUT ON OCTOBER 7.

RISING SETTLER VIOLENCE IN THE WEST BANK AND COUPLED WITH THAT, IMPUNITY IN MANY CASES FOR SO MUCH OF THE SETTLER VIOLENCE THAT WE ARE SEEING TAKING PLACE IN THE WEST BANK.

AS I'VE SAID, THIS MAN WAS ARRESTED, RELEASED ON HOUSE ARREST AND WE WILL BE CLOSELY MONITORING THE PROCEEDINGS IN THIS CASE.

>> JEREMY BIT DIAMOND,-- JEREMY DIAMOND, THANK YOU.

>>> NATURAL POLITICAL CRISIS FOR DEMOCRATS IN THE UNITED STATES WERE A NEW PULL FROM THE WALL STREET JOURNAL SHOWS DEMOCRATS WITH THEIR LOWEST APPROVAL RATING IN 35 YEARS.

52% OF VOTERS SAY THEY HOLD AN UNFAVORABLE VIEW OF THE PARTY AND WHILE PRESIDENT TRUMP'S OWN NUMBERS ARE UNDERWATER A MAJORITY SAY THEY TRUST REPUBLICANS MORE UNCRITICAL ISSUES.

DEMOCRATIC CONGERS BEEN JAKE AUCHINCLOSS IS CHALLENGING THE STATUS QUO AND HAS LAUNCHED A NEW INITIATIVE CALLED MAJORITY DEMOCRATS WORKING TO REINVENT THE PARTY AND RECONNECT WITH VOTERS.

HE JOINS ME FROM HIS HOME STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS AND JUDGING BY THESE NUMBERS, CONGRESSMAN, IT REALLY IS AN UPHILL BATTLE THAT YOU ARE PURSUING RIGHT NOW.

FOR WE GET TO THIS WALL STREET JOURNAL REPORT I WANT TO ASK YOU TO WEIGH-IN ON THIS BREAKING NEWS.

ISRAEL NO SURPRISE REJECTING THE UNITED KINGDOM SAYING THEY WILL RECOGNIZE THE STATE OF PALESTINE IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS INCLUDING A CEASE-FIRE AND ADDITIONAL CIRCUMVENTING OF ISRAEL TO STOP THE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS IN GAZA IS NOT ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY.

THEY ARE FOLLOWING FRANCE SAYING THEY WILL, INDEED, RECOGNIZE PALESTINE WITHOUT PRECONDITIONS HERE IN AN ULTIMATUM.

HOW SHOULD THE UNITED STATES RESPOND AND WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE?

>> RECOGNITION OF A PALESTINIAN STATE WITHOUT ANY OF THE SUBSTANTIVE WORK TO IMPROVE GOVERNANCE, CORRUPTION, COMPETENCE WITH PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY AND TO SECURE ISRAEL'S LONG-TERM NATIONAL DEFENSE IS AN EMPTY GESTURE.

IT TURNS OCTOBER 17 TO JULY 4 FOR HAMAS AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE OUR ALLIES NOT TO DO.

ISRAEL RIGHT NOW, THOUGH, DOES HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX THE GAZA HUMANITARIAN FOUNDATIONS UNACCEPTABLE DISTRIBUTION OF HUMANITARIAN AID.

THE CONDITIONS IN GAZA ARE INHUMANE, THEY ARE IMPLORED-- DEPLORABLE AND MUST BE IMPROVED RADICALLY AND IMMEDIATELY.

>> SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SAID AS MUCH AND SAID HE WILL BE SPEAKING WITH PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU SHORTLY ABOUT THIS.

TURNING TO THIS WALL STREET JOURNAL PULLING.

DEMOCRATS ARE NOW AT THEIR LOWEST LEVEL IN 30 YEARS WITH VOTERS.

63% VIEW THE PARTY UNFAVORABLY AND JUST 8% VIEW THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FAVORABLY.

HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS COLLAPSE?

DID YOU SEE IT COMING?

>> AMERICANS KNOW WHAT DEMOCRATS ARE AGAINST.

WE ARE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP.

BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE FOR.

THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH POWER ON DAY ONE AND TO EARN THAT TRUST, TO BE ABLE TO GOVERN FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WE HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE BIG AND BOLD IDEAS FOR OUR AGENDA.

I THINK AMERICANS PERCEIVE THERE IS A CORRUPT STATUS QUO, THAT IT IS THREATENING TO THEIR FINANCIAL FREEDOM AND THEIR AMERICAN DREAM AND DEMOCRATS NEED TO TAKE ON THAT STATUS QUO.

WE HAVE TO RESTORE LAW AND ORDER, NOT JUST CONSTITUTIONAL IN CHECKS AND BALANCES BUT ALSO THE LAW AND ORDER OF DAILY EXPERIENCE OF MAKING SURE YOU CAN GO TO A CVS AND PURCHASE SHAMPOO WITHOUT HAVING TO ASK THE COURT TO UNLOCK IT FOR YOU BECAUSE OF SHOPLIFTING.

WE HAVE TO TREAT COST DOES EASE- - DISEASE WHICH IS NOW HALF OF AMERICAN FAMILIES' TAKE-HOME PAY AND DELIVER EXCELLENT EDUCATION FOR THE 25 MILLION AMERICAN STUDENTS WHO SINCE THE PANDEMIC AND DISASTROUS SCHOOL CLOSURES HAVE FALLEN BEHIND ON READING AND MATHEMATICS.

>> WE SHOULD NOTE THAT IT WAS PRESIDENT TRUMP AT THE TIME THAT WAS PUSHING FOR SCHOOLS TO BE REOPENED, NOW NOT SITING ANY SPECIFIC DATA FOR THAT DEMAND.

NONETHELESS AS SOON AS HE WAS DOING THAT IT DID SEEM AS IF DEMOCRATS WERE EVEN MORE DEFIANT TO DO JUST THE OPPOSITE.

I ALSO WANT TO GET TO THE POINT OF THE NUMEROUS ISSUES WHERE DEMOCRATS ARE DISAPPROVING, WHERE VOTERS ARE DISAPPROVING OF HOW TRUMP IS HANDLING EVERYTHING FROM INFLATION TO THE ECONOMY TO FOREIGN POLICY, YET THEY STILL TRUST REPUBLICANS MORE THAN DEMOCRATS ON THESE ISSUES.

IT'S HARD TO WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND JUST HOW UNHAPPY VOTERS ARE WITH DEMOCRATS, GIVEN THEIR LEVEL OF DISAPPROVAL ON HOW REPUBLICANS ARE HANDLING THESE ISSUES.

>> YES, BUT PICKING A FIGHT WITH VOTERS IS NEVER A GOOD ELECTORAL STRATEGY.

WHAT DEMOCRATS NEED TO REFLECT UPON IS NOT HOW THE TRIFECTA IN WASHINGTON IS PERCEIVED BY THE AMERICAN ELECTORATE, BUT HOW ARE WE DOING IN PLACES WHERE DEMOCRATS HAVE THE TRIFECTA?

IN STATES WHERE DEMOCRATS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE IN COMMAND OF THE GOVERNING PORTFOLIO?

AND WE HAVE TO TAKE WHAT IS WORKING THERE AND SCALE IT AND ALSO TAKE WHAT'S NOT WORKING AND ADDRESS IT.

LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT'S WORKING IN MASSACHUSETTS.

WE STARTED TO DO DIRECT TO PROVIDER GRANTS TO EARLY EDUCATION PROVIDERS, SO PROVIDING DIRECT GRANTS THAT COMPLEMENTED VOUCHERS TO FAMILIES AND WHAT THEY DID IS ALLOW FAMILIES, EARLY EDUCATION PROVIDERS TO HIRE MORE STAFF AND MAINTAIN MORE STABILITY WITH EARLY EDUCATORS.

IT HAS WORKED.

MORE SLOTS, MORE AFFORDABILITY, THAT SHOULD BECOME PART OF THE PLATFORM BECAUSE WE CAN POINT TO IT AS HAVING REAL OUTCOMES FOR THE MIDDLE-CLASS.

>> YOU KNOW THAT ASIDE FROM IMMIGRATION AND BORDER SECURITY, THE ECONOMY WAS ONE OF THE MOST IF NOT THE MOST PRESSING ISSUE FOR VOTERS GOING INTO 2024 SO HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS DISCONNECT COMING OUT OF THIS POLLING?

THE PRESIDENT IS CURRENTLY UNDERWATER ON INFLATION WHICH HE VOWED TO FIX AND REVERSE AND ELIMINATE.

HE IS UNDERWATER BY 11 POINTS BUT REPUBLICANS ARE UP 10 POINTS OVER DEMOCRATS ON THIS VERY ISSUE.

HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT?

>> BECAUSE THE BIGGEST LINE ITEM IN A FAMILIES BUDGET IS HOUSING.

HOUSING IN BLUE STATES IS FAR MORE EXPENSIVE THAN HOUSING IN RED STATES.

UNTIL DEMOCRATS WRESTLE WITH THAT REALITY, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A SURPRISE THAT VOTERS SAY WILL LISTEN, YOU SAY YOU ARE GOING TO LOWER COSTS FOR ME BUT MY BIGGEST COST IS MY RENT OR MORTGAGE PAYMENT AND IT'S GOING UP FASTER WHEN I SEE DEMOCRATS IN COMMAND.

THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO BUILD 5 MILLION UNITS OF HOUSING ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.

MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, WORKFORCE HOUSING, ACROSS CITIES AND SUBURBS INCLUDING BUILDING NEW CITIES ENTIRELY BECAUSE UNLESS WE CAN VASTLY INCREASE THE SUPPLY OF HOUSING IN THIS COUNTRY WE ARE GOING TO SUFFOCATE THE MIDDLE-CLASS.

>> TELL US MORE ABOUT YOUR INITIATIVE AND WHAT YOU ARE HOPING TO RE-ENERGIZE WITHIN THE PARTY ITSELF.

>> I WANT TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR.

IT'S NOT MY INITIATIVE.

I AM ONE OF 30 YOUNGER DEMOCRATS WHO HAVE LAUNCHED MAJORITY DEMOCRATS AND WE ARE HOPING THAT IT'S GOING TO GROW.

IT IS FORMED OF MAYORS AND LEADERS OF STATEHOUSES AND YOUNGER MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, AND WHAT ALIGNS US ALL IS ONE, A CONVICTION THAT WE HAVE TO AUTHENTICALLY ENGAGE WITH VOTERS , THAT THIS CONDESCENSION THAT HAS COME TO CHARACTERIZE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY MUST BE JETTISONED, AND TWO THAT WE ARE WILLING TO CHALLENGE THE STATUS QUO.

THE IDEOLOGICAL STRAITJACKET THE PARTY HAS PUT ITSELF IN OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS HAS SERVED US POORLY, HAS MADE US TOO RIGID AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A MUCH TIGHTER FEEDBACK LOOP WITH THE MIDDLE-CLASS TO DELIVER AFFORDABILITY AND HOUSING AND HEALTHCARE, TO DELIVER THE EXCELLENCE IN EDUCATION THAT THEY DESERVE PARTICULARLY AFTER SCHOOL CLOSURES AND RESTORE A SENSE OF LAW AND ORDER IN TIMES WHERE SEEING THINGS SEEM TO BE SPIRALING OUT OF CONTROL.

RIGHTLY BECAUSE OF THIS PRESIDENTS CORRUPTIONS BUT THE CONDITIONS THAT MANY AMERICANS LIVE IN ARE NOT THE KIND OF HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE CONDITIONS WEATHER BECAUSE OF SHOPLIFTING OR OTHER ISSUES THAT THEY DESERVE.

>> YEAH.

PRESIDENT TRUMP THOUGH SAYS THAT UNLIKE PAST PRESIDENTS AND STATISTICS, HE THINKS THE REPUBLICANS CAN STILL CONTROL THE HOUSE IN THE UPCOMING MIDTERM ELECTIONS.

YOU LOOK AT THIS POLLING AND MOST VOTERS ARE IDENTIFYING, OR MORE ORDERS-- VOTERS ARE IDENTIFYING AS REPUBLICANS AS OPPOSED TO DEMOCRATS.

IS HE CORRECT?

>> WE NEED TO OPERATE ON THE PREMISE THAT HE'S RIGHT, NEVER BE COMPLACENT, NEVER PRESUME ANYTHING BUT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF COMPETENCE IN YOUR OPPONENTS AND WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY PRESUME THAT WE ARE IN A CLOSE RUN ELECTION AND WE SHOULD OPERATE ACCORDINGLY.

THAT MEANS RECRUITING HIGH QUALITY CANDIDATES AND SUPPORTING THOSE CANDIDATES IN EVERY WAY THAT THEY NEED.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT AS CONNECTING THE DOTS FOR AMERICAN VOTERS THAT ALTHOUGH THE REPUBLICANS DELAYED THESE CUTS TO MEDICAID UNTIL AFTER THE MIDTERMS IN AN INCREDIBLY CYNICAL MANEUVER, THOSE CUTS ARE GOING TO DIRECTLY RAISE THE COST OF HEALTH INSURANCE FOR EVERYBODY.

NOT JUST IF YOU HAVE MEDICAID BUT IF YOU GET HEALTH INSURANCE FROM YOUR EMPLOYER YOU WILL PAY HIGHER PREMIUMS BECAUSE OF THESE CUTS WHICH IS THE LAST THING YOU NEED AT A TIME WHEN HEALTH INSURANCE IS GOING UP TWICE AS FAST AS WAGES.

THAT'S THE REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS WILL FIX IT.

>> THE ONLY ISSUE WHERE DEMOCRATS OUTPERFORM REPUBLICANS WAS IN HEALTHCARE.

REPRESENTATIVE JAKE AUCHINCLOSS WE ARE OUT OF TIME BUT WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE YOU BACK TO TALK ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC ISSUES AND SOME OF YOUR IDEAS AND PROPOSALS AS WELL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING THE SHOW.

>> TAKE CARE.

>>> NASHVILLE MUSICIAN MARGO PRICE HAS BEEN SINGING TRUTHS ABOUT AMERICAN LIFE EVER SINCE SHE BURST HIT THE BIG TIME WITH HER DEBUT MIDWEST FARMERS DAUGHTER.

NOW WITH HER RECORD HARDHEADED WOMAN SHE WERE RETURNS TO HER ROOTS EXPLORING THE HIGHWAYS AND BYWAYS OF AMERICAN POP MUSIC.

HER MUSIC TOUCHES ON EVERYTHING FROM FAMILY TO FEMINISM AND IS THE LATEST IN A LONG LINE OF COUNTRY GREATS WHO INSTILL A WORLD OF LIVING INTO THE PROVERBIAL THREE CHORDS AND THE TRUTH.

I SPOKE WITH MARGO PRICE FRESH FROM THE NEWPORT FOLK FESTIVAL ABOUT HER MUSIC, HER MISSION AND ABOUT NOT LETTING ANYONE DRAG HER DOWN.

>> MARGO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US AND CONGRATULATIONS ON A NEW ALBUM, HARDHEADED WOMAN YOUR PREVIOUS ALBUM STRAYS DREW FROM PSYCHEDELIC INSPIRATION BUT YOU'VE DESCRIBED THIS ONE AS MORE ROOTED SO TELL US.

MORE ROOTED HOW?

>> I WANTED TO GET BACK TO THE SONGWRITING, THE LYRICS, THE STORYTELLING THAT I REALLY LOVE ABOUT COUNTRY MUSIC, AMERICANA.

SO THIS FEELS LIKE KIND OF A RETURN TO HOME, IN A WAY.

>> YOU ACTUALLY SAID IN A RECENT INTERVIEW, I ALWAYS JOKED THAT COUNTRY MUSIC IS LIKE A TOXIC EX-BOYFRIEND.

I NEEDED SOME SPACE BUT I KNEW I WOULD BE BACK.

WHAT DID YOU MISS THE MOST?

>> YEAH, I THINK THE ABILITY TO REALLY WEAVE A STORY, TO GIVE ALL THOSE LITTLE DETAILS ABOUT EVERY DAY LIFE.

THE HIGHS, THE LOWS, THE GOOD, THE BAD, THE UGLY.

THAT IS REALLY WHERE I FIND MY PIECE, THROUGH THE STORYTELLING.

SO IT FEELS GOOD TO BE BACK WITH 1 FOOT FIRMLY PLANTED IN THE SONGS.

>> WAS THE INITIAL BREAK UP INTENTIONAL?

DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU WOULD MAKE THIS JOURNEY?

DID YOU NEED THE SPACE?

>> YEAH.

I DIDN'T WANT TO GET PEGGED AS JUST BEING A COUNTRY SINGER.

WHEN I WAS COMING UP I PLAYED IN SEOUL BANDS, I PLAYED ROCK, FOLD, BLUES.

I JUST NEEDED TO EXPLORE OTHER SONIC TERRITORY AND ALSO, I THINK, COUNTRY MUSIC CAN BE A LITTLE POLARIZING POLITICALLY AND I'VE BEEN A LITTLE OUTSPOKEN WITH MY BELIEFS SO I NEEDED SPACE FROM THAT, AS WELL.

>> I WANT TO GET TO THAT IN A SECOND BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SONG THAT EVERYONE IS REVIEWING AND TALKING ABOUT IN THIS NEW ALBUM.

DON'T LET THE-- GET YOU DOWN.

>> DON'T SELL YOUR HEART TO NO IS IN THIS MAN.

HE WILL SELL IT BACK NEXT TIME AROUND.

>> IT'S A PHRASE THAT HAS SOME HISTORY TO IT.

MARGARET ATWOOD'S A HANDMAID'S TALE WAS WRITTEN IN LATIN AND THEN CHRIS CHRISTOPHERSON-- KRIS KRISTOFFERSON SET IT TO SINEAD O'CONNOR.

>> WELL THEY ARE BOTH BIG HERE IS AND IT'S EASY TO LET OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINIONS OF YOU GET YOU DOWN SO I WANTED IT TO BE KIND OF A BATTLE CRY AND A MANTRA THAT I CAN USE WHEN I'M FEELING LOW AND WHEN I'M FEELING UNSURE OF MYSELF.

IT'S LIBERATING.

>> HAVE YOU BEEN LET DOWN BY A LOT OF THEM?

DOES THAT APPLY TO YOU, TOO?

>> IS CHALLENGING SOMETIMES TO TURN DOWN THE NOISE OF CRITICS AND JUST THE TALKING HEADS ON THE INTERNET.

AND I FEEL THAT I KNOW MYSELF NOW MORE THAN EVER AND REALLY COMING INTO MY OWN SKIN AND FEELING EMPOWERED AND THAT SONG FEELS SO GOOD TO SEEING ESPECIALLY IN THE TIMES WE ARE LIVING IN RIGHT NOW.

>> TALK ABOUT THAT EMPOWERMENT BECAUSE YOU COME ACROSS AS SO CONFIDENT, SO INDEPENDENT IN YOUR SINGING, IN THE MUSIC VIDEOS, AND THE WAY YOU DISCUSS YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR HUSBAND IN YOUR MUSIC.

AND YET YOU LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS VULNERABILITIES AND IN THIS ERA OF SOCIAL MEDIA ESPECIALLY FOR YOUNG WOMEN, WHAT MESSAGE YOU WANT TO SEND TO THEM?

BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU STILL GET IMPACTED BY SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SEE ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

>> I THINK HAVING A DAUGHTER OF MY OWN REALLY HAS REFRAMED A LOT FOR ME AND IT'S SO EASY TO JUST FEEL LIKE YOU ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

I'VE TRIED TO NAVIGATE MY CAREER AND THE PLATFORMS THAT I HAVE TRIED TO STAND UP FOR IN A WAY THAT FEELS HEALTHY BUT WE ARE LIVING IN VERY DIVISIVE TIMES AND I WANT TO BE SOMEONE THAT LITTLE GIRLS CAN LOOK UP.

AND, IT'S OKAY TO BE STRONG AND IT'S OKAY TO SPEAK YOUR MIND.

IT'S OKAY TO BE DIFFERENT AND IT HAS TAKEN ME A LONG TIME TO REALIZE THAT.

>> SO IMPORTANT FOR YOUR FANS TO HEAR THAT.

YOU DON'T SHY AWAY FROM EXPRESSING YOUR POLITICAL VIEWS ON THE ALBUM.

YOU SAY WE PLAY THE JUKEBOX WHILE DEMOCRACY FELL.

YOU'VE DEALT WITH ISSUES LIKE ABORTION, THE OPIOID CRISIS.

WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO YOU TO SPEAK OUT POLITICALLY THROUGH YOUR MUSIC?

>> WELL, I HAVE BEEN GIVEN A PLATFORM AND I WANT TO DO GOOD WITH IT.

I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO SPEAK UP FOR THE COMMON MAN.

I CAME FROM HUMBLE BEGINNINGS JUST, MIDWEST.

MY FATHER WAS A FARMER, MY MOTHER WAS A SCHOOLTEACHER AND ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW I THINK THE MIDDLE CLASS IS DISAPPEARING.

THERE IS JUST SO MUCH INJUSTICE AND IF YOU DON'T SPEAK UP ABOUT IT I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SLEEP AT NIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW-- YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO NOT SAY SOMETHING WHEN I SEE INJUSTICE.

IT'S HARD FOR ME TO BE SILENT AND I'M SURE IT HAS DAMAGED MY CAREER, MAYBE, IN THE COUNTRY MUSIC INDUSTRY TO BE MORE LIBERAL.

>> YOU THINK IT HAS?

>> I THINK THERE'S STILL A LOT OF GATEKEEPING THAT GOES ON ESPECIALLY A COUNTRY MUSIC RADIO AND JUST, THE A STATUS ESTABLISHMENT THAT IS THERE IN NASHVILLE.

IT'S A PIECE OF THE PATRIARCHY AND SO WHEN THEY SEE A WOMAN THAT IS SPEAKING HER MIND AND STANDING UP FOR WHAT SHE BELIEVES IN, I THINK IT'S EASIER TO SAY WELL WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP THAT OVER THERE AND TRY TO PRETEND THAT IT'S NOT HAPPENING.

BUT, I KNOW THAT IT'S MAKING WAVES AND PEOPLE LIKE LORETTA LYNN WHO WAS SPEAKING OUT ABOUT THE PILL, SHE WAS GETTING BANNED IN COUNTRY RADIO AND IT STILL IS HAPPENING.

I THINK IT HAPPENS A LOT OF TIMES BAHA'IS-- BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

>> I THINK BACK TO EVEN LIKE THE DIXIE CHICKS SPEAKING OUT PUBLICLY AGAINST THE WAR IN IRAQ AND THE BACKLASH THEY FACED AFTER THAT.

SO WHEN PEOPLE SAY, WHETHER IT IS TO MUSICIANS ATHLETES OR ACTORS, WHEN THEY SPEAK OUT AGAINST CURRENT NEWS HEADLINES AND PALLETS POLICIES ADMINISTRATIONS TO STAY IN THEIR OWN LANE, HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

>> WELL, I PAY TAXES AND I'M A CITIZEN OF THIS COUNTRY AS WELL.

I JUST, I DON'T BELIEVE IN BEING SILENT ESPECIALLY DURING THIS TIME.

WE'VE GOT TO USE OUR VOICE WHILE WE STILL HAVE IT.

>> THE COMMON MAN AND WOMAN IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR YOU, AS WELL.

YOU CALL JOHNNY CASH ALSO, AND INSPIRATION.

IN YOUR WORK, LOOKING BACK AT FARM AID.

YOU SAY YOU COME FROM HUMBLE BEGINNINGS.

FATHER OBVIOUSLY IN THE MIDWEST.

YOUR WORK WITH OTHER MUSICIANS, TALK ABOUT THAT FOR OUR VIEWERS.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WILLIE NELSON HAS JUST BEEN SUCH A GREAT CHAMPION OF WHAT I DO AND I AM BEYOND HONORED TO SIT ON THE BOARD WITH HIM, NEIL YOUNG, JOHN MELLENCAMP, DAVE MATTHEWS.

IT'S AN ORGANIZATION THAT I THINK IS REALLY AHEAD OF ITS TIME AND NEEDED NOW MORE THAN EVER.

FARMERS ARE REALLY STRUGGLING AND IT FEELS GOOD TO GIVE BACK.

I SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO MY FAMILY WHEN THEY LOST THEIR FARM IN THE MID-1980S.

IT RACKED THEM-- IT WRECKED THEM SO IT FEELS FULL CIRCLE TO BE ON THE BOARD OF FARM AID AND TO BE ABLE TO PLAY FOR FARMERS AND RAISE MONEY AND HELP PEOPLE MAYBE NOT LOSE THEIR FARMS LIKE MY FAMILY DID.

>> YOU'RE GETTING VERY EMOTIONAL JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT.

>> IM, YEAH.

IT'S A CAUSE THAT IS SO NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART AND WILLIE AS WELL, HE HAS BEEN SUCH AN INSPIRATION.

HE USES HIS VOICE IN SUCH A BEAUTIFUL WAY AND HE DOES IT OUT OF LOVE.

AND I THINK IT TAKES A LOT OF COURAGE FOR SOMEBODY IN THE COUNTRY MUSIC ESTABLISHMENT TO JUST SPEAK UP ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, IT'S REALLY AN HONOR TO SIT NEXT TO HIM ON THE BOARD OF FARM AID.

>> WHEN YOU TALK TO THESE FAMILIES HOW IMPORTANT IS IT, AND THEIR REACTION WHEN YOU SAY I NOT ONLY SYMPATHIZE AND EMPATHIZE WITH YOU BUT I'VE BEEN WHERE YOU ARE.

MY FAMILY HAS BEEN WHERE YOU ARE.

TO HEAR THAT FROM SOMEONE LIKE YOURSELF--?

>> YEAH, I THINK IT FEEDS MY SOUL TO BE THERE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT SHOW EVERY SINGLE YEAR JUST TO BE ABLE TO GET BACK.

I AM ALWAYS TALKING TO FARMERS IN MY COMMUNITY IN TENNESSEE AND WHERE I'M FROM IN ILLINOIS AND UNFORTUNATELY IT IS JUST GETTING MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT TO FARM.

AND WE NEED THESE PEOPLE.

THEY ARE THE STEWARDS OF THE LAND.

IT'S JUST REALLY TROUBLING TO SEE PEOPLE THAT WE DEPEND ON SO MUCH KIND OF BEING BRUSHED ASIDE .

THE COMMUNITY HAS TO BE TOGETHER AND FARM AID IS, YEAH, THE MOST PROUD I'VE EVER BEEN OF ANYTHING OF MY WHOLE CAREER.

>> YOU AND I WERE TALKING BEFORE ABOUT FEELING MORE COMFORTABLE IN OUR SKIN NOW IN OUR 40s THEN IN OUR 30s OR 20s.

AS A MOTHER YOU TALK ABOUT THE JOURNEY YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH, THE UPS AND DOWNS, PERSONAL LOSSES, LOSING A CHILD.

AND YOUR SOBRIETY NOW AND WHAT A GIFT THAT HAS BEEN FOR YOU.

AGAIN, THAT MUST RESONATE WITH SO MANY OF YOUR FANS THAT WENT THROUGH SIMILAR JOURNEYS AND STRUGGLES.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHERE YOU ARE TODAY?

>> YEAH, GRIEF IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALL GO THROUGH IF WE LIVE LONG ENOUGH AND I'VE BEEN ABLE TO BOND WITH SO MANY FANS, SO MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOST CHILDREN, LOST PARENTS, LOST PEOPLE WHO ARE CLOSE TO THEM.

I DIDN'T ALWAYS DEAL WITH IT IN THE BEST WAY.

I THINK I WAS ESCAPING FOR SO LONG BECAUSE IT WAS JUST TOO PAINFUL TO EVEN THINK ABOUT.

AND YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO SOUND VERY FUNNY TO SAY NOW THAT I'VE GIVEN UP ALCOHOL BUT I THINK IT ABSOLUTELY SAVED MY LIFE BECAUSE IT JUST, LIKE, IT NUMBED THE PAIN AND I NEEDED THAT.

BUT NOW I'M ABLE TO FEEL ALL THE HIGHS, ALL THE LOWS, AND I'M GLAD THAT I'VE COME THROUGH IT ON THE OTHER SIDE.

I NEVER REALLY THOUGHT THAT I WOULD COMPLETELY GIVE UP DRINKING BECAUSE IT WAS JUST SUCH A PART OF MY CHARACTER AND , I DON'T EVEN KNOW.

I WAS ALWAYS LIKE, THE FUN PARTY GIRL AND WANTED TO KEEP UP WITH ALL THE GUYS.

IT HAS BEEN THE BEST DECISION I'VE EVER MADE.

>> YOU'VE HAD A NUMBER OF ALBUMS THUS FAR BUT I DO WONDER, EACH TIME YOU RELEASED A NEW ONE IS THERE A LITTLE BIT OF HESITATION OR SOME NERVOUSNESS ABOUT HOW YOUR AUDIENCE IS GOING TO REACT?

HARDHEADED WOMAN?

>> I THINK EXCITEMENT?

>> YES, IT'S ALWAYS EXCITED TO GET MUSIC OUT THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR YEARS.

BUT I DON'T KNOW.

I'VE KIND OF LEARNED TO LET GO OF OTHER PEOPLE'S EXPECTATIONS.

I CONSTANTLY HAVE TO REMIND MYSELF WHY I STARTED DOING THIS AND IT WAS NOT TO MAKE OTHER PEOPLE HAPPY.

IT WAS TO SHARE A PIECE OF MYSELF AND IF IT CONNECTS WITH SOMEONE, GREAT.

AND IF IT DOESN'T, THAT'S OKAY, TOO.

I'M NOT FOR EVERYBODY.

>> WHILE I HAVE A FEELING THIS IS GOING TO CONNECT WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

CONGRATULATIONS ON EVERYTHING.

>> WE TURN TO A TOPIC THAT EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT, THE DANGERS AND THE POTENTIAL OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.

THIS RAPIDLY ADVANCING TECHNOLOGY IS RAISING CONCERNS AROUND THE WORLD AND IS BECOMING AN UNAVOIDABLE PART OF MODERN LIFE.

DO WE TRUST IT AND HOW IS IT IMPACTING OUR RELATIONSHIPS?

THAT'S THE QUESTION OUR NEXT GUESTS ARE EXAMINING.

YASMIN GREEN IS THE CEO OF JIGSAW, A PROGRAM SUPPORTING EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES AT GOOGLE AND ANTHROPOLOGIST GILLIAN 10 GILLIAN TETT AND EXPLORING THE CHANGE IN HUMAN CONNECTION.

>> THANK YOU BIANNA AND YASMIN GREEN AND GILLIAN TETT .

>> THE TWO OF YOU HAVE WRITTEN A PIECE IN FOREIGN AFFAIRS ABOUT TRUST IN THE AI REVOLUTION.

LET ME START WITH YOU, YASMIN.

ART AI CHAT BOTS REPLACING SEARCH?

YOU ARE PROBABLY BEST PLACED TO ANSWER THAT.

>> WELL IT LOOKS AT THE EVOLUTION OF TRUST OVER TIME STARTING WITH WHEN WE LIVED IN SMALL SOCIETIES.

WE TALK ABOUT EYE LEVEL TRUST AS WE STARTED TO SETTLE DOWN AND LIVE IN LARGER SOCIETIES, WE WOULD TALK ABOUT THE EVOLUTION OF VERTICAL TRUST IN INSTITUTIONS, THE INTERNET INTRODUCED THIS KIND OF NEW TRUST PHENOMENON THAT WE CALL DISTRIBUTED TRUST AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW IN THIS NEW ERA OF AI AND EVENTUALLY AGI?

AND WE ARE KIND OF EXPLORING HOW, IT'S OFTEN SAID THAT TRUST , WE ARE IN A TRUST LIST-- TRUST LIST WORLD AND TRUST HAS EVAPORATED.

AND THEN EXPORTING ANOTHER POSSIBILITY THAT TRUST HAS MIGRATED AND WE ARE LOOKING TO NEW TRUST MEANS.

>> IS THIS SPECIFIC WITH AI AND LARGE LANGUAGE MODELS OR IS IT TRUE FOR THE WHOLE INTERNET PHENOMENON AT THE MOMENT?

>> THAT SAID, THE DISTRIBUTED TRUST IS WHAT WE SAW WAS SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE INTERNET, SOMETIMES CALLED WEB 2.0.

THIS IDEA THAT YOU WOULD GET INTO A CAB WITH A COMPLETE STRANGER AND GET INTO A CAR AND RENT AND ACCOMMODATION FROM SOMEONE YOU'VE NEVER MET OR TRADE WITH PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW.

THAT WAS ALL ENABLED BY THE INTERNET, THE IDEA THAT PLATFORMS ENABLED US TO HAVE SOME TRUST.

WHAT IS TRUST IN THAT CONTEXT.

IT IS RELIEF AND THE RELIABILITY OF SOMETHING WHETHER IT'S TRADER TRANSPORT ET CETERA.

WE SAW SOMETHING THAT TRANSFORMED WHO AND HOW WE TRUST WITH THE INTERNET AND WHAT WE EXPLORE IS HOW THIS AI ERA, THIS ERA OF CHAT BOTS WE CAN TALK TO, THAT TALK BACK TO US THAT ARE AVAILABLE 24/7 THAT ARE PERSONALIZED AND PRIVATE, THAT IS REALLY USHERING IN A NEW TRUST ERA BE ON THAT.

>> YASMIN HAS JUST TALKED ABOUT, GILLIAN, THIS NOTION OF PEER TO BEER TRUST-- HERE TO PEER TRUST LIKE AIRBNB AND UBER.

TELL US HOW DISTRIBUTED TRUST WORKS ANTHROPOLOGICALLY.

>> WHILE I'M AN ANTHROPOLOGIST BY TRAINING AND PEOPLE KNOW THAT ANTHROPOLOGISTS STUDY CULTURE AND THEY SOMETIMES THINK THAT CULTURE IS LIKE A COPPER WEB BOX WHERE IT'S SEALED AND STATIC AND YOU CAN STACK UP CULTURES ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, THE HIERARCHY OF VALUE AND ASSUME THAT YOUR CULTURE IS THE MOST VALUABLE.

BUT ANTHROPOLOGISTS ACTUALLY HAVE A DIFFERENT VISION, THAT IT'S MORE LIKE A RIVER THAT IS SLOW-MOVING AND CONSTANTLY CHANGING WITH NEWS STREAMS COMING IN.

AND THAT APPLIES WITH THE ISSUE THAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT SEARCH VERSUS BOTS.

THE REALITY IS THAT THE DISTRO CULTURE IS IN CONSTANT FLUX.

RIGHT NOW THE QUESTION OF WHO WE TRUST IS ALSO IN FLUX AND TRADITIONALLY ANTHROPOLOGISTS ASSUMED THERE WERE TWO AXES OF TRUST THAT GLUED SOCIETY TOGETHER.

EITHER FACE-TO-FACE TRUST LIKE EYEBALL TO EYEBALL PEER GROUP TRUST, OR WHEN GROUPS GOT REALLY BIG YOU HAD TO TRUST IN VERTICAL AXES AND LEADERS AND INSTITUTIONS BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T EYEBALL EVERYBODY.

BUT NOW, DISTRO LINKS ARE ESSENTIALLY CREATING A WHOLE NEW TYPE OF TRUST WHICH IS PEER TO PEER TRUST ON A MASSIVE SCALE.

IT IS NOT BOUNDED BY GEOGRAPHICAL PROXIMITY ANY MORE AND THAT IS REALLY AT THE HEART OF WHAT WE ARE ARGUING.

THAT OUR DIGITAL CULTURE IS SLOWLY EVOLVING LIKE A RIVER AND RIGHT NOW THAT HORIZONTAL TRUST, DISTRIBUTED TRUST IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT.

>> WHEN YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT PEER TO PEER TRUST YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT INTERPERSONAL.

LIKE HUMAN BEINGS DISTRIBUTING TRUST.

HOW DOES THAT CHANGE BY AI IN THE EQUATION?

>> HERE'S THE KEY ISSUE.

DISTRIBUTED TRUST HAS EMERGED AS A REALLY IMPORTANT PLATFORM, REALLY SINCE THE INTERNET TOOK HOLD AND THAT HAS UNDERPINNED THINGS LIKE THE RISE OF AIRBNB OR UBER OR MANY OF THE TOOLS WE USE TODAY BUT THAT DOESN'T STAY STILL, EITHER.

INTRODUCING AI INTO THIS EQUATION IS CREATING NEW FORMS OF TRUST, WHERE ESSENTIALLY YOU CAN HAVE AI ACTING LIKE THE FOUR M'S.

DIVISION HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN THAT IF A MASTER IS COMING FROM A VERTICAL AXIS BOSSING US AROUND AND TELLING US WHAT TO DO, OR YOU CAN HAVE AI AS ONE OF OUR MATES, ONE OF OUR GAIN, ONE OF OUR FRIENDS.

OR YOU CAN HAVE AI AS A MIRROR TO OURSELVES OR AS A MODERATOR, WHERE ESSENTIALLY THEY ARE USING ALL OF THE DIGITAL TOOLS AVAILABLE TO MODERATE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN HUMAN BEINGS.

ALL THEY ALL PLAY A ROLE TODAY SO IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF WHETHER THEY ALL-- AI BUT DO WE TRUST THAT THEY ALL WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR HUMANS TO TRUST OTHER HUMANS OR AT LEAST INTERACT WITH THEM IN A WAY THAT CAN BUILD TRUST?

>> NOW YASMIN ONE OF THE MAIN OUTLETS THAT I READ IS TIK TOK.

WE ALL USE IT TO JENS HE PROBABLY USES IT MORE THAN THE REST OF US.

EXPLAIN HOW IT CHANGES THINGS.

>> IF JENS THE CONSISTENTLY READS NEWS OUTLETS IT'S BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN INDIVIDUAL--.

THEY ARE FOLLOWING THAT AS OPPOSED TO THE INSTITUTION OF THE MEDIA OUTLET SO THAT HELPS YOU UNDERSTAND THE RISE OF NEWSY SOCIAL MEDIA INFLUENCES WHO ARE DELIVERING THEIR INTERPRETATION OF THE NEWS.

IT'S NOT INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING, IT IS INVESTIGATIVE OPINION AND INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING OF NEWS INSTITUTIONS, BUT THE REASON THAT SOCIAL SIGNAL MATTERS SO MUCH TO JENS HE IS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN PEOPLE WHO LOOK AND SOUND LIKE THEM.

INFLUENCERS THAT GO VIRAL ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THEY SPEAK TO YOU LIKE WE ARE IN A ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATION WITH WORDS YOU UNDERSTAND AND REFERENCES YOU UNDERSTAND AND THERE IS A TRUST, AND AUTHENTICITY.

ALMOST LIKE THE TENSION BETWEEN AUTHORITY AND AUTHENTICITY, THAT AUTHORITY USED TO TRUMP EVERYTHING IN A VERTICAL TRUST WORLD WITH INSTITUTIONS AND INCREASINGLY ESPECIALLY GENERATION Z SUBSCRIBES TO AUTHENTICITY IS A REASON TO TRUST.

>> I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, GILLIAN.

NORMALLY WHEN I TRY TO GET NEWS OR INFORMATION I DO A QUERY OR A SEARCH QUERY OR A CHAT BOT PROMPT, THAT I WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH.

I'M A TRUTH SEEKING QUERY.

BUT YASMIN SEEMS TO SAY THAT IN THE STUDY OF JENS THE THEY ARE LOOKING FOR MORE AFFIRMATION, SOCIAL AFFIRMATION MORE THAN JUST PURE TRUTH SEEKING.

>> YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT AND I THINK ANY ONE OF OUR GENERATION TENDS TO OPERATE IN THE SAME WAY YOU ARE TALKING WHICH IS TO LOOK TO EXPERT SOURCES FOR VALIDATION OF OUR IDEAS.

ONE OF THE KEY PRESETS OF ANTHROPOLOGY IS THAT YOU CANNOT EVER ASSUME THAT THE ENTIRE WORLD LOOKS AT THE WORLD IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU DO AND ALTHOUGH WE ASSUME THAT THE IDEAS WE GREW UP WITH OUR NORMAL, UNCHANGING AND CORRECT AND EVERYONE WOULD LOOK AT THE WORLD LIKE WE DO, THINKING THAT IS A COMPLETE FALLACY IN TODAY'S WORLD NOT JUST BECAUSE WE LIVE IN AN AGE OF GLOBALIZATION BUT BECAUSE DIFFERENT GENERATIONS HAVE DIFFERENT APPROACHES.

THE REALITY IS THAT GENERATIONS HE DOES NOT TRUST EXPERTS AND INSTITUTIONS IN THE WAY THAT YOU AND I WERE RAISED TO DO.

WHICH IS HORRIFYING TO ANYONE WHO IS AN ELITE PERSON IN AN INSTITUTION OR OF OUR GENERATION.

BUT THE REALITY IS THAT THERE ARE GOOD AND BAD THINGS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

THE GOOD THING IS, IT IS POTENTIALLY VERY EMPOWERING, AND IN SOME WAYS POTENTIALLY MORE DEMOCRATIC AND YOU CAN POTENTIALLY GET A MUCH WIDER RANGE OF VOICES IN THIS TYPE OF DEBATE.

THE BAD THING IS, IT CAN MAKE IT A VERY CHAOTIC CACOPHONY OF NOISES, VERY HARD TO HAVE SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT POLICY OR TRADE AND YOU CAN HAVE A SCOPE FOR A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF ATTENTION DEFICIT DISORDER BUT ALSO A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MISINFORMATION IN SOME CONTEXT.

THAT'S THE DANGERS.

AND NEITHER YASMIN NOR I ARE SUGARCOATING WHAT IS GOING ON OR DENYING ANY OF THE DANGERS ASSOCIATED WITH THE EXPLOSION OF AI BOTS AND THE RISK THAT TRUST GETS ABUSED.

WE ARE STRONGLY ARGUING FOR A SENSIBLE CONVERSATION TO MITIGATE THOSE DANGERS.

BUT, THERE ARE UPSIDES AS WELL TO THE WAY THAT JENS THE ARE APPROACHING THIS.

FRANKLY WE CAN ALL LEARN FROM THEM AND WHETHER YOU LOVE OR HATE IT, THE REALITY IS THIS SHIFT IS OCCURRING AND YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO IGNORE IT.

>> DOES THIS SHIFT LEAD TO MORE CONSPIRACY THEORIES?

>> YES.

THERE'S A PAPER THAT WE TALK ABOUT IN OUR OWN ESSAY THAT WAS DONE BY RESEARCHERS AT MIT AND ELSEWHERE CALLED, YOU CAN FIND IT.

DEBUNK BUT.

THEY USED LANGUAGE LEARNING MODELS AND WHERE IS THE PROMISE WE SHOULD BE INVESTING IN AS WE TRIED TO MAKE THE LLM ERA WORK FOR US AS INDIVIDUALS AND AS SOCIETY?

THEY RECRUITED FOUR CONSPIRACY THEORISTS AND GAVE THEM SOME BACK-AND-FORTH INTERACTIONS WITH A CHAT BOT AND THEY FOUND THAT AFTER JUST TWO OR THREE BACK AND FORTH, PEOPLE ON AVERAGE RECORDED HAVING 20% LESS STRONG BELIEFS IN CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND THAT THOSE EFFECTS ENDURED OVER MONTHS.

THE INTERESTING THING, PEOPLE WOULD EXPLAIN WHY THEY BELIEVED IN CHEMTRAIL'S.

I CAN SEE THE EXHAUST AND I KNOW THE GOVERNMENT AND GAUGES IN MIND CONTROL, AND THEY WENT BACK AND FORTH AND TALKED ABOUT WELL, IT'S CONTRAILS, CONDENSATION, THEY ENGAGED WITH THEM.

THE QUOTES WERE SO POWERFUL ABOUT PEOPLE'S EXPERIENCES DURING THE STUDY THAT THEY HAVE SAID I'VE NEVER HAD SUCH A HELPFUL CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE WHO EXPLAINED IT TO ME SO WELL.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE ASSOCIATE THAT OTHERS HAVE AN AGENDA WHEN THEY ARE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH US.

THIS IS SOME OF THE PREJUDICE AGAINST EXPERTS OR INSTITUTIONS AND THEY THOUGHT THE CHAT BOT WAS NEUTRAL.

IT WAS A SAFE SPACE FOR THEM TO REALLY HAVE BACK-AND-FORTH ENGAGEMENT.

WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IN THE PAPER IS LIKE HOW CAN WE USE CHAT BOTS?

ONE OF THE EXAMPLES WHICH IS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF BINGHAM'S , THEY ARE USING IT TO HELP PEOPLE COMMUNICATE WHO OTHERWISE DISAGREE.

SO YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MOST INCREDIBLE USES OF AI THAT IS SO INCREDIBLE IS LANGUAGE TRANSLATION.

GOOGLE TRANSLATE.

YOU CAN SPEAK TO ANYONE IN THE WORLD DESPITE NOT KNOWING THE SAME LANGUAGE.

THAT'S NOT REALLY THE CAUSE OF MOST CONFLICTS, THAT WE DON'T SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE, IT'S THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME WORLDVIEW.

THE REASON DIALOGUE BREAKS DOWN IS THAT I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM AND I CAN'T EXPLAIN WHERE I'M COMING FROM IN A WAY THAT LANDS SO THE STUDY IS LOOKING AT THE POWER OF LLM 'S TO DO NOT JUST LANGUAGE TRANSLATION BUT SOCIAL LANGUAGE TRANSLATION.

IN YOUR VIEWPOINT HE EXPLAINED TO ME AND VALUES THAT I UNDERSTAND?

AND BACK AND FORTH.

>> GIVE ME A CONCRETE EXAMPLE LIKE WHAT YOU DID IN BOWLING GREEN KENTUCKY.

>> OKAY.

WELL THAT IS OUR LATEST PROJECT AT JIGSAW WHERE WE USED LLM 'S, IT'S THE FASTEST GROWING TOWN IN THE AMAZING STATE OF KENTUCKY DOUBLING IN SIZE OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.

THEIR JUDGE EXECUTIVE, ESSENTIALLY THE MAYOR REALIZED THIS CHANGE WAS REALLY GOING TO UPEND SOCIETY.

THERE IS NO WAY TO BRING 100,000 PEOPLE TOGETHER AND HAVE A SINGLE CONVERSATION.

THE INTERNET DIDN'T ACTUALLY DELIVER THAT FOR US.

IT DID NOT HELP US HAVE PRODUCTIVE, LARGE CONVERSATIONS, SO WE WORKED WITH LOCAL LEADERS IN KENTUCKY TO BASICALLY DO AND AI ENABLED TOWN HALL.

IN BOWLING GREEN KENTUCKY THEY HAD ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE PEOPLE ATTEND.

WHEN WE WORKED WITH THEM TO INVITE ANYONE TO PARTICIPATE IN A VIRTUAL TOWN HALL, THEY HAD 1000 PEOPLE SO 1000 TIMES PARTICIPATION.

1 MILLION OPINIONS EXPRESSED, THOUSANDS OF POLICY PROPOSALS AND WE USED AI TO HELP THE JUDGE EXECUTIVE MAKE SENSE OF IT ALL.

THE THING THAT WAS SO STUNNING OTHER THAN THE THEMES OF THE THINGS THEY WANTED WAS THAT FOR MORE THAN HALF OF THE POLICY PROPOSALS, THERE WAS NEAR UNIVERSAL AGREEMENT.

SO IT'S LIKE, WE ARE IN THIS WORLD WHERE WE FELT THAT SOCIAL MEDIA HAS NOT SERVED US IN BRINGING US TOGETHER AS PEOPLE BUT I THINK THE LLM ERA HOLDS PROMISE TO DO THAT .

>> GILLIAN, THE WHOLE NOTION OF SOCIAL MEDIA, THE DIGITAL REVOLUTION WAS THAT IT WAS GOING TO CONNECT US AND MAKE US MORE UNITED.

THAT CLEARLY DID NOT WORK.

FROM AN ANTHROPOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE WHAT CAUSES DIVISIVENESS AND IS A BUILD INTO THESE TECHNOLOGIES OR EVEN THE BUSINESS AND ALGORITHMS, THESE TECHNOLOGIES USE?

>> THAT IS SUCH A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE I SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING TO THE FOUNDERS OF TWITTER AND WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY CREATED TWITTER THEY IMAGINED IT OF BEING LIKE A SOCIETY BAR WHERE EVERYONE BUMPED INTO EVERYONE ELSE AND HUNG TOGETHER WITH A GREAT BIG HAPPY MASS AND ONE OF THE REASONS THEY HAD THAT LITTLE BIRD, TWITTER, IS BECAUSE THEY IMAGINED EVERYONE FLOCKING TOGETHER IN A GREAT BIG HAPPY GROUP SORT OF SINGING COULD BUY.

THE REALITY IS, THE MINUTE IT BECAME SO POPULAR THAT YOU HAD VAST NUMBERS ON THE PLATFORM YOU BEGAN TO HAVE MASSIVE FRAGMENTATION WHICH IS REALLY ABOUT AS FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN URGE TO HANG TOGETHER WITH PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE YOU AND TO CHOOSE WHO TO HANG WITH.

IN THE REAL WORLD YOU CAN'T DO THAT MOST OF THE TIME BECAUSE YOU WILL-- YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY CONSTRAINED BY GEOGRAPHY AND WORKPLACE AND SETTINGS IN YOUR GEOGRAPHY IS HANDED TO YOU AS WELL AS YOUR SOCIAL GROUPS.

BUT THE CRUCIAL THING TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE INTERNET IS WHEN WE GO ONLINE, WE HAVE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY, THE ABILITY TO FASHION IDENTITY EXACTLY AS WE WANT AND TO CUSTOMIZE, TO PICK AND MIX EXACTLY WHO WE WANT TO HANG WITH AND HOW WE PRESENT OURSELVES.

IT'S THE ULTIMATE TAKE AND MIX TOOL AND PEOPLE TEND TO PICK AND MIX THEMSELVES INTO TRIBES THAT REFLECT THE REAL WORLD TRIBALISM AND ACTUALLY INTENSIFY IT BECAUSE OF THIS CUSTOMIZATION.

>> IS THAT A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING?

>> IT'S BOTH.

LIKE ALL INNOVATIONS HAVE A GOOD SIDE AND A BAD SIDE WHETHER YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ELECTRICITY, NUCLEAR POWER, ANYTHING ELSE.

AND THE GOOD THING IS, IT FEELS EMPOWERING.

YOU CAN FIND YOUR PEOPLE ACROSS A WIDE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA SO PEOPLE IN THE PAST WHO MAY HAVE FELT QUITE ISOLATED BECAUSE THEY WERE THE ONLY PERSON IN THAT VILLAGE WHO IS LIKE THEM CAN SUDDENLY FEEL A SENSE OF SOLIDARITY.

THE BAD SIDE IS THAT PEOPLE START SELF-SELECTING INTO TRIBAL GROUPS AND BECAUSE BIG TECH IS ABLE TO CREATE AN ARCHITECTURE THAT ESSENTIALLY SENDS YOU DOWN RABBIT HOLES OF YOUR OWN CHOOSING, THAT HAS REINFORCED TRIBALISM DRAMATICALLY.

SO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO SAY IS WE ARE NOT SUGARCOATING THE DANGERS OF WHAT'S GOING ON WHATSOEVER.

WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THAT.

WE'VE READ JONATHAN HIATT'S BOOK ON THE ACTIVE GENERATION AND ALL THE OTHER BOOKS POINTING TO DANGERS.

AI BRINGS DANGERS.

THAT IS DEFINITELY OUT THERE.

BUT THERE'S ANOTHER SIDE OF IT THAT IS, AS YASMIN SAYS, AI BOTS MAY BE MORE NEUTRAL IN A WORLD OF HUMAN TRIBALISM THAN WE REALIZE, AND THAT MAY START TO HAVE REALLY INTERESTING POSITIVE BENEFITS.

IF WE MASTER OUR USE OF AI AND BOTS RATHER THAN ARE MASTERED BY IT, MAYBE ONE WAY TO START IS INSTEAD BY SAYING ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, WE SOUND LIKE SOMETHING-- WHICH SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING IMPOSED ON US OFTEN FROM THE TOP, WE TALK ABOUT AUGMENTED INTELLIGENCE OR ACCELERATED INTELLIGENCE WHICH GIVES THE IDEA THAT WE AS HUMANS CAN USE THESE TOOLS FOR BOTH A SENSE OF AGENCY AND POSSIBLY EVEN FOR GOOD.

TO UNLEASH THE ANGELS OF OUR BETTER NATURE IF YOU'D LIKE RATHER THAN THE DEMONS THAT WE HAVE HAD SO VISIBLY ON DISPLAY IN RECENT YEARS.

>> YASMIN GREEN, GILLIAN TETT , THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

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