>> COULD THE ICE BATTLEGROUND MOVE FROM MINNESOTA TO OHIO.

>> WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD .

I'M MIKE THOMPSON.

THE FALLOUT CONTINUES AFTER THE SECOND FATAL SHOOTING OF A PROTESTER BY IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AGENTS IN MINNESOTA.

THE SHOOTING OF ALEX PRETTI HAS PROMPTED VARYING DEGREES OF OUTRAGE AND CALLS FOR CHANGE .

DEMOCRATS IN OHIO DENOUNCED THE SHOOTING AND CALLED FOR THE RESIGNATION OF HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY KRISTI NOEM, WHO CALLED PRETTI A DOMESTIC TERRORIST.

JUST HOURS AFTER THE SHOOTING , AND INITIAL ADMINISTRATION RESPONSE, FORMER GOVERNOR AND TRUMP CRITIC PRODUCED A VIDEO THAT WENT VIRAL.

>> I'M OUT HERE WALKING IN THE FREEZING COLD BEFORE THE STORM COMES, BUT WHEN YOU WALK YOU THINK ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS.

AND YOU KNOW, IT'S BECOME SO APPARENT THAT MINNESOTA AND THE ETHICS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN MINNESOTA ARE WAKING UP THE WHOLE COUNTRY.

YOU SEE, IT'S BOTHERING US, BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE JUSTICE, AND WE DON'T SEE FAIRNESS.

AND SOMEHOW THE ADMINISTRATION JUST DOESN'T WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE LESS, AND THEY THINK THEY CAN JUST DOUBLE DOWN ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK, BECAUSE IT'S TEARING THE COUNTRY APART, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT IS RAISING THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF AMERICANS WHO ARE SAYING ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

AND THIS IS GOING TO HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS, AND THE REPUBLICANS MAY TAKE A HUGE PRICE FOR THIS.

>> IN RECENT DAYS, OHIO REPUBLICAN LEADERS HAVE SAID THE SHOOTING WAS TRAGIC, AND THEY HAVE CALLED FOR A FULL INVESTIGATION.

SINCE THAT VIDEO, THE RHETORIC HAS BEEN TONED DOWN A BIT IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, BY OTHER REPUBLICANS.

BUT AS THE FORMER GOVERNOR CORRECT THAT THE TACTICS ARE TOO AGGRESSIVE, AND COULD HAVE CONGRESSES DOWN THE ROAD FOR REPUBLICAN POLITICS?

>> I'LL TALK ABOUT THE POLITICS IN A MINUTE.

--TEARING OUR COUNTRY APART, THEN WE HAVE NO NATION TO BEGIN WITH, BECAUSE WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS.

WE HAVE LAWS ON THE BOOKS THAT WERE PASSED BY DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS , AND IT'S THE PRESIDENT'S JOB TO ENFORCE THEM.

WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE ILLEGAL, AND WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS DOING RIGHT NOW IS GETTING RID OF THE MURDERESS, THE RAPISTS, THE CHILD TRAFFICKERS IN MINNESOTA.

IT'S WHY THE DEMOCRATS DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT THOSE PEOPLE -- >> THE SHOOTING.

THIS MAN WAS ACCUSED OF BREAKING THE LAW --THE VIDEO SHOWS HE WAS TRYING TO HELP SOMEONE WHO HAD BEEN PEPPER SPRAYED.

HE WAS VIDEOTAPING.

HE HAD A GUN THAT WAS HOLSTERED.

SO AFTER HE WAS SHOT AROUND THE SAME TIME HE WAS SHOT.

SO WHERE, WHERE WAS THE LAWBREAKING THERE?

WAS IT ON THE I. C. E. AGENTS PART, OR WAS ON THE PROTESTERS PART?

>> YOU MENTIONED RHETORIC A MOMENT AGO, MIKE.

FOR THE PAST 30 DAYS, WE'VE BEEN LISTENING TO DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS SAYING OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE HORRIBLE, TERRIBLE PEOPLE.

ALTHOUGH LAW ENFORCEMENT IN MINNESOTA ARE DOING THEIR JOB.

THEIR JOB IS TO --THE BAD CRIMINALS -- THESE PROTESTERS , SOME PAID, SOME ORGANIZED, SOME THAT JUST LIVE THERE, OF COURSE, ARE OUT THERE PUTTING THEMSELVES IN HARMS WAY.

--AND THEY'RE BEING TORTURED AS WELL, AND THEIR LIVES ARE AT RISK TOO.

NONE OF US ARE SITTING AROUND THIS TABLE GOING ON TONIGHT WORRIED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SHOT BY A I. C. E. OFFICER.

WHY?

BECAUSE WE'RE NOT FEARING WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.

LET LAW ENFORCEMENT DO THEIR JOB.

>> THIS, THIS SEEMS TO BE DIFFERENT THAN --A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, MS.

GOOD --WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE VEHICLE.

THIS VIDEO WAS CLEAR.

THIS IS, THIS IS A DIFFERENT TIPPING POINT IN THIS COUNTRY.

>> I MEAN, I'D ARGUE THAT'S SIMILAR.

>> IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.

>> SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, BUT IN THE SENSE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE, THE CAR WAS A WEAPON.

NOW IT WAS, HE HAD A GUN, ANOTHER WEAPON.

YOU KNOW, WHERE DID THE SITUATION --I THINK WE FIND OURSELVES WHERE THIS ENFORCEMENT IS ACTUALLY BRINGING MUCH MORE ARMS TO FAMILIES AND ALSO THE CITIES THAT FOLKS ARE IN COMMAND AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITIES ARE SAFER WHEN THEY TRUST POLICE, NOT WHEN THEY ARE LIVING IN FEAR.

>> IS ONE OF THE ONES WHO --RE- ELECTION.

HE SAID IT WAS TRAGIC, BUT SAID THIS DESERVES A FULL INVESTIGATION.

SO IT'S A FORTIFIED -- SORT OF PLAYED DOWN THE MIDDLE.

>> YEAH, HE'S NOT ALONE.

A LOT OF REPUBLICANS HAVE COME OUT AND SAID THAT, AND OF COURSE THE DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING THAT.

I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SITUATION, THOUGH, THERE'S PLENTY OF RHETORIC TO GO AROUND ON ALL SIDES.

IT'S NOT LIKE ONE SIDE HAS THE, THE, YOU KNOW, LOCK ON RHETORIC.

SO IT'S EVERYWHERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION -- WE SAW THE ADMINISTRATION --AS THIS WENT ON.

SO THAT TELLS ME THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WASN'T PARTICULARLY HAPPY ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS IN THE WAY IT WAS BEING HANDLED.

>> CAN YOU SUPPORT --AMERICANS GENERALLY SUPPORT CERTAIN AGGRESSION LAW, AGGRESSION ENFORCEMENT.

CAN YOU SUPPORT THAT, AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I. C. E. IS IN HANDLING THIS VERY WELL.

THEY'RE ASKED ALL THE TIME.

THAT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK.

THEY ARE SHOOTING PROTESTERS FOR WHATEVER REASON.

THEY'RE PRETTY QUICK WITH THE GUN.

CAN YOU SUPPORT I. C. E. AND --THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO ENFORCE, BUT ALSO CRITICIZE THE TACTICS?

>> YES, YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO.

AGAIN, THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THEIR JOB, NOT HAVE ROCKS AND OTHER THINGS THROWN AT THEM, BEING BOXED -- HAVE THEIR TIRES SLASHED.

SO IT GOES BOTH WAYS, MIKE.

IF YOU WANT TO CRITICIZE LAW ENFORCEMENT, LET'S DO IT.

LET'S CRITICIZE THEM AS WELL.

>> I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THEM.

I THINK YOU SAW THAT JUST A COUPLE DAYS AGO, WHEN -- REPRESENTATIVE OMAR WAS ATTACKED.

AND THAT ATTACK, WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE PRESIDENT COME OUT AND SAY THAT THIS WAS --VICE VERSA, ON THE OTHER HAND, WE DID SEE REP OMAR, WHEN THE PRESIDENT WAS SHOT AT, ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, COME OUT AND ALSO SAY VERY CLEARLY THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED.

AND SO THERE NEEDS TO BE A STANDARD, RATHER THAN A DOUBLE STANDARD, I THINK, THAT EXISTS.

>> WHAT ABOUT THIS ISSUE OF BRINGING GUNS TO PROTEST?

>> I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA TO LEAVE YOUR GUN AT HOME IF YOU'RE GOING TO A PROTEST, BECAUSE PROTESTS CAN GET, GET EMOTIONAL, THEY CAN GET, YOU KNOW, GET ANGRY.

BUT WE, WE SAW THIS PERSON HAD A GUN, DIDN'T --WE SAW PEOPLE WAS, YOU KNOW, ASSAULT STYLE WEAPONS --AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> YES, I HAVE COVERED SOME OF THEM, AND THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE OUT THERE WITH, WITH BIG GUNS, YOU KNOW?

LONG GUNS AND, YOU KNOW, SCARY LOOKING GUNS, MARCHING ALL AROUND THE STATEHOUSE, AND THEY HAVE BEEN PEACEFUL PROTESTS, I SHOULD SAY THAT.

NOTHING CAME OUT OF THEM.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, WE ALWAYS HEAR THE SECOND AMENDMENT FOLKS WHO BACK THE SECOND AMENDMENT SAY THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO CARRY, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO CARRY, AND IT WAS INTERESTING THAT IN THIS CASE, WELL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HE SHOULD'VE LEFT HIS GUN AT HOME.

THAT QUESTION, THE SHOE WAS ON THE OTHER FOOT.

>> THEY SAID, NO, HE HAD THE RIGHT TO HAVE THE GUN.

BUT COMMON SENSE IS LEAVE YOUR GUN AT HOME, RIGHT?

>> YEAH, YOU KNOW, AND LOOK, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO CARRY YOUR GUN, IT'S A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

IF I'M GOING TO GO TO A PROTEST AND PROTEST, WHETHER IT BE PEACEFUL OR OTHERWISE, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO LEAVE MY FIREARM AT HOME, BUT I DON'T DO THAT.

>> WOULD IT HELP --TO BE CONSISTENT?

--YOU LEAVE YOUR GUN AT HOME --DO WE --DO WE AGREE?

>> IT'S OKAY --IT'S OKAY TO CARRY A GUN.

IT'S ABSOLUTELY OKAY IN ALL OF THE STATES.

IT'S JUST, TRY TO BE SMART.

>> ON TUESDAY, SUPPORTING PROTECTIVE STATUS FOR HAITIAN IMMIGRANTS, AND THE STATUS HAS MEANT HAITIAN IMMIGRANTS CAN LIVE AND WORK LEGALLY IN THE UNITED STATES.

NEARLY 6000 HAITIAN IMMIGRANTS LIVE IN THE SPRINGFIELD, COLUMBUS AREA.

OFFICIALS HERE, IMMIGRATION AGENTS WILL ARRIVE IN OHIO IN FORCE AS EARLY AS NEXT WEEK TO DETAIN AND DEPORT THE IMMIGRANTS.

GOVERNOR DeWINE SAYS HE HAS DISCUSSED THE POSSIBLE ENFORCEMENT SURGE WITH COUNTY AND LOCAL OFFICIALS FROM THE SPRINGFIELD AREA.

THE WIND SAYS HE HOPES TO WORK WITH I. C. E. TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE DO NOT GET HURT.

--IT IS CLEAR, WE DO NOT REALLY KNOW IF I. C. E. IS GOING TO COME HERE IN FOURTH NEXT WEEK.

WE ALL KNOW THAT -- PROTECTIVE STATUS ENDS EARLY NEXT WEEK, BUT THAT'S ALL WE KNOW.

>> YEAH, WE KNOW THAT IT ENDS AT 11:59 TUESDAY.

AND SO --11:59 P. M. SO, YOU KNOW, AFTER THAT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT THERE ARE SOME CLUES HERE.

THE SPRINGFIELD CITY, SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT HAS SENT AN INTERNAL MEMO, AND THE MEMO HAS SAID THAT THERE COULD BE ENFORCEMENT STARTING ON THE FOURTH, AND IT COULD HAPPEN FOR 30 DAYS.

WE SEE GROUPS WHO DEAL WITH EXPRESSING G'S AND IMMIGRANTS IN THE SPRINGFIELD AREA.

THEY'RE HOLDING ALL KINDS OF TRAINING.

A LOT OF THE IMMIGRANTS IN SPRINGFIELD ARE ATTENDING THOSE TRAININGS TO KNOW THEIR RIGHTS, THAT KIND OF THING, AND GOVERNOR DeWINE HIMSELF IS TALKING ABOUT THE STRESS THIS COULD CAUSE TO AGENCIES.

FOR EXAMPLE, CHILD CARE, YOU KNOW?

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THE KIDS THAT MAY BE DISPLACED?

>> IF THEIR PARENTS ARE DEPORTED OR DETAINED.

STANLEY , GIVEN WHAT'S HAPPENED IN MINNESOTA AND HOW THE ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO TONE THINGS DOWN, TRYING TO CHANGE TACTICS A LITTLE BIT, AT LEAST ON THE SURFACE, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO SPRINGFIELD?

MY GUESS IS WE WON'T SEE THE SURGE RIGHT AWAY.

IT'LL BE MORE LOCATED.

>> I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THEM TRANSITION FROM MINNEAPOLIS AND MINNESOTA TO SPRINGFIELD, JUST BECAUSE, LIKE TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO TONE THINGS DOWN.

WHAT I WOULD PREFER, THOUGH, IS A CLEAR PLAN, RIGHT?

ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT LOCATING RESIDENTS WHO ARE A PART OF THE ECONOMY, MORE WORKING, WHO ARE CONTRIBUTING AND MAKING SURE THAT SPRINGFIELD HAS GROWN JUST OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS, BECAUSE THOSE HAITIAN MIGRANTS COMING THERE.

BUT I CAN'T GO BACK HOME, RIGHT?

AND SO HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE SAFE WHILE THEY'RE HERE?

BECAUSE IF THEY GO BACK TO HAITI, WE'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR IN THE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE VERY CLEAR, THEY'RE GOING TO FACE SOME TROUBLES THAT ARE MUCH HARSHER THAN THE ONES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO FACE HERE, AND SO WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE.

>> SO WHAT SHOULD THE STATE DO, OFFICIAL STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT COUNTY AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT DO, MIKE?

--GOING TO SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INVOLVED IN THE I. C. E. ENFORCEMENT.

WHAT ROLE SHOULD THEY PLAY?

>> THE EXACT SAME THING THAT THE SHERIFF IS DOING, ASSIST I. C. E. WHEN THEY'RE NEEDED.

--NBC AFFILIATES --WHEN THEY ARRESTED 50 BAD GUYS, MEN AND WOMEN, AND NOW THEY ARE GETTING THEM OUT OF THEIR COUNTRY.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT SPRINGFIELD, HOWARD COUNTY, AND ANY COUNTY --ASSIST LAW ENFORCEMENT WHEN NEEDED.

--TEMPORARY PROTECTIVE STATUS --TEMPORARY MEANS NOT PERMANENT, RIGHT?

THAT WAS REVOKED.

IT WAS A LAW PASSED IN 1990 BY DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS THAT GAVE TEMPORARY STATUS.

IT'S OVER.

THE GOVERNMENT'S OFFERING PEOPLE $2600, PLUS FREE PLANE RIDES TO THE HOME.

>> THEY BRIGHT BANNER --AS DO NOT TRAVEL TO HAITI.

KIDNAPPING, CRIME, CIVIL UNREST --HEALTHCARE.

KIDNAPPING, CRIME, TERRORIST -- DOESN'T TAKE PLACE -- >> WELL, IT'S NOT A SAFE PLACE FOR ME AND YOU, MIKE, AS AMERICANS.

I'M NOT TAKING MY WIFE TO HAITI TO VACATION ANYTIME SOON.

BUT IF YOU'RE FROM HAITI, YOU CAME HERE TEMPORARILY, IT'S TIME TO GO HOME.

>> BUT SHOULDN'T THE TEMPORARY PERMIT BE EXTENDED?

>> IT'S ONLY TEMPORARY, BUT MAYBE ANOTHER FEW YEARS -- DISCRETION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

>> TEMPORARY STATUS.

IT'S THE LAW.

>> THAT THE TEMPORARY PROTECTED STATUS SHOULD BE EXTENDED.

>> YES.

HERE'S THE OTHER THING.

THERE ARE BUSINESSES IN SPRINGFIELD THAT DEPEND ON THESE WORKERS.

THAT'S WHY THEY CAME HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, BECAUSE -- BUSINESSES WERE WILLING TO GIVE THEM JOBS, SAYING THAT THEY COULDN'T GET WORKERS OTHERWISE.

AND SO THESE ARE NOT PEOPLE, A LOT OF THEM ARE NOT PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN COMMITTING CRIMES.

THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO CAME HERE, HAVE BEEN WORKING A JOB, AND NOW THEY'RE HAVING THE STATUS THAT THEY WERE HERE LEGALLY UNDER, THEY'RE HAVING THAT STATUS PULLED AWAY FROM THEM.

AND THEY HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHAT TO DO, AND IT'S NOT EASY WHEN YOU'RE NOT MAKING A LOT OF MONEY AND YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS.

>> SO THE -- HAITIAN IMMIGRANTS SHOULDN'T HAVE SELF DEPORTED, HAVE SELF DEPORTED ALREADY.

THERE WHERE THEY WOULD GO WE DON'T KNOW.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT?

>> YEAH, I THINK IT'S A INTERESTING COMPONENT.

AGAIN, I MEAN, I THINK I MEAN OF THE --AND WHETHER THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT CRIME IS BEING FIXED AND THAT WE'RE ALSO FIXING THAT ECONOMY.

BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME, IT GOES BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A STANDARD, LET'S NOT MAKE IT A DOUBLE STANDARD WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO SEND HAITIAN MIGRANTS TO A PLACE WHERE WE KNOW IS UNSAFE FOR THEM, WHILE WE ALSO --ANOTHER COUNTRY --TELLING THEM --KEEP THEIR COUNTRY SAFE.

>> WE SHALL SEE HOW THIS ALL TURNS OUT THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.

IT HAS BEEN QUITE A WEEK IN CENTRAL OHIO.

NOW, WE WERE WARNED THAT IT DID NOT MAKE, IT DID NOT MAKE -- SNOW ON SUNDAY ANY EASIER.

FRANKLY, COUNTY FOR THE FIRST TIME, DECLARE A LEVEL 3 SNOW EMERGENCY, BANNING A LOT OF CENTRAL VEHICLES FROM THE ROAD.

SCHOOLS CANCELED CLASSES FOR THE ENTIRE WEEK, FIRST BECAUSE OF THE SNOW AND THEN BECAUSE OF THE SUBZERO TEMPERATURES.

THEY EXTENDED CLOSURES HAVE BROUGHT CALLS FOR REMOTE LEARNING TO TRY TO KEEP THE KIDS LEARNING DURING CALAMITY DAYS, AS THEY CALL THEM HERE IN CENTRAL OHIO.

--IN HANDLING THE STORM.

>> WELL, I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL WEEK THAT THE SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN CLOSED, AND WE'VE SEEN PROBLEMS WITH THIS.

A LOT OF THE SCHOOLS, THE KIDS HAVE TO WAIT OUT FOR THE BUSES.

THEY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SNOW NOT BEING FULLY CLEARED, THERE'S NOT SAFE PLACES FOR THEM TO STAND WHEN THEY'RE WAITING FOR THOSE BUSES.

AND THEN WE'VE SEEN THE REALLY COLD WEATHER.

AND, AND SOME SCHOOLS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT WE ARE, YOU HAVE A LOT OF FAMILIES WHO ARE STRUGGLING, THE KIDS DON'T HAVE PROPER COATS.

THEY DON'T HAVE PROPER SHOES AND GLOVES, AND SO THERE'S JUST A WHOLE LOT OF ISSUES.

AND WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF KIDS OUT OF SCHOOL.

>> A WEEK OF MISSED CLASSES.

THAT'S A LOT.

IS THAT TOO MUCH?

IF THEY'D GONE BACK WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY --TO SOME DEGREE?

>> I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK SO.

I MEAN, SO I'M A RUNNER, AND IF I'M RUNNING OUTSIDE, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I WANT MY KIDS WAITING IN THE BUS STOP FOR, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE SIDEWALKS ARE NOT CLEAR AT ALL.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE SITUATION WHERE THEY ARE NOW, THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING THEM SAFE.

I MEAN, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF FOLKS SAY BACK IN OUR DAY, WE WERE STANDING OUTSIDE, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE US, THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT, YOU KNOW?

WE WENT THROUGH IT, SO THEY SHOULD GO THROUGH IT.

WE SHOULD MAKE SURE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT SAFETY.

>> THEY'RE OUT THERE CLIMBING WITH THE SNOW BAGS.

--BACK TO SCHOOL REMOTELY -- BACK-TO-SCHOOL --NEW YORK CITY REMOTELY THE FIRST DAY, AND THEN THEY GO BACK IN CLASS THE NEXT DAY, TUESDAY.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD DO MOVING FORWARD, MAYBE HAVE CALAMITY DAYS LIKE THIS.

ALL THE KIDS HAVE IPADS.

--EVERYTHING'S ON THE iPAD.

WE HAVE THE IPADS, WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY.

LET'S USE IT.

WE HAVE THIS WEEK OFF.

JEN IS RIGHT IN HER ASSESSMENT OF WHY WE DIDN'T HAVE SCHOOL.

--NAVIGATE HOW TO GET THE KIDS TO SCHOOL THAT LIVE IN HILLIER AREAS.

THE HILLIER STREETS ARE GREAT.

LONG STREETWEAR --KIDS COULDN'T GET THE SCHOOL.

>> COLUMBUS IS 25 INCHES OF SNOW ON AVERAGE EACH WINTER.

SHOULDN'T THE CITY INVEST MORE PLOWS?

I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S PRETTY BAD.

I MEAN, THERE ARE SIDE STREETS HERE THAT NEVER GET OUT PROPERLY.

THEY MAY HAVE A CRISPY PATH DOWN AND SAY WE DID IT, BUT IT'S ALWAYS TERRIBLE.

>> YEAH, WELL, YEAH.

THEY PROBABLY SHOULD --MORE PLOWS, BUT THE CITY WOULD ALSO PROBABLY I'M GUESSING, TELL YOU THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO INVEST IN, AND THAT DECIDES TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE ONES THAT THEY THINK THEY NEED THE WORST.

I THINK THE ONE THING THAT I HAVE HEARD CITY LEADERS AND OTHERS SAY THAT COULD BE HELPFUL IS FOR INDIVIDUALS TO GO OUT WITH A SHOVEL AND SHOVEL SOME OF THE WALKS AND SOME OF THE AREAS THAT THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO YET THAT MAKE IT SAFER FOR PEOPLE TO TRAVEL, PEDESTRIANS TO TRAVEL.

>> DURING COVID, STANLEY, WE HEARD THE SNOW DAYS WERE A THING OF THE PAST, BECAUSE WE ALL LEARNED HOW TO LEARN REMOTELY.

SNOW DAYS ARE STILL HERE.

COVID IS IN THE REARVIEW MIRROR, SCHOOLS ARE BACK, BUT WE'RE NOT TAKING FULL ADVANTAGE OF REMOTE LEARNING .

>> CERTAINLY.

I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD, BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S MAJOR STRUCTURAL INVESTMENTS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GET THERE.

IN PARTICULAR WITH CLOTHING SCHOOLS, IT'S A MUCH LARGER SCHOOL DISTRICT, MUCH LARGER AREA WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE CITY AS WELL, AND I THINK ABOUT THE TEACHERS, RIGHT?

HOW IS A TEACHER WITH KIDS ALSO GOING TO MAKE SURE SHE'S TEACHING HER CLASS ON TOP OF BEING ABLE TO SUPERVISE HER OWN KIDS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE STABLE INTERNET, FOOD AS WELL, AND THEN ALSO ARE ABLE TO GIVE THEM INTERNET AND DO THEIR LEARNING AS WELL?

SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT SHOULD HAPPEN, YES, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RETHINK IT, ACTUALLY TAKE SOME TIME AND INVEST IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

>> WE'RE LOOKING FOR PERFECT AS AN ENEMY OF THE GOOD HERE?

LIKE --HAVE TO HAVE -- INTERNET --HAVE A LAPTOP -- TEACHER HAS KIDS AT HOME -- >> I AGREE WITH YOU.

I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

EVERY SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS A INTERNET SOLUTION THAT ALLOWS KIDS TO GET ON, PARENTS TO GET ON TO SEE THEIR GRADES, HOMEWORK.

TEACHERS COULD LOAD IT UP ON A FRIDAY --HERE ARE THE SIX THINGS I WANTED TO DO NEXT WEEK, AND WHEN YOU DO COME BACK, I EXPECT YOU TO HAVE THEM DONE.

LET'S SIT DOWN AND DO THAT.

LOOK, COLUMBUS PUBLIC SCHOOLS --WHERE THEY MIXED 19 OF THE 31 DAYS INTO THE MONTH OF JANUARY, NOT GOING TO SCHOOL.

THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR THESE KIDS.

THEY NEED TO BE IN SCHOOL, AND THEY'RE NOT.

>> IT'S BASED ON HOURS, RIGHT?

SO YOU CAN ADD AN HOUR OR TWO HERE.

SHOULDN'T BE SCHOOL DAYS?

WHEN I WAS A KID --IN MY DAY --WE HAD FIVE SNOW DAYS.

AND IF YOU USE THEM ALL, YOU WENT TO THE END OF THE SCHOOL YEAR, BUT IF YOU DIDN'T, YOU GET A COUPLE EXTRA DAYS OFF AT THE END OF SCHOOL.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A CRAZY IDEA.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT --WHEN WE HAD THE MASSIVE SNOWFALL THEN.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO --THE KIDS.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REMOTE LEARN.

>> SNOWSTORMS HAPPEN IN THE WINTER EIGHT, NINE, 10 MONTHS BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTION.

AND SO IF THEY HAPPENED IN OCTOBER --ANYWAY.

AMERICAN --MOVE ITS HEADQUARTERS TO COLUMBUS IN THE EARLY 1980S.

SINCE THEN --YOU TYPICALLY HAD TO CALL THE LANDMARK 31 STORY TOWER ITS HOME BASE .

NOW, AFTER 4 1/2 DECADES, THE AP SAYS IT'S LOOKING FOR A NEW HOME FOR TECH ORDERS.

THE COMPANY SAID THE BUILDING WAS GETTING TOO OLD, AND WOULD REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT RENOVATIONS.

THIS WEEK, GOVERNOR DeWINE TOLD THE DISPATCH HIS ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN HAVING A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT KEEPING AEP IN OHIO.

THE UTILITY SERVES 11 STATES.

STANLEY GATES, AEP HAD $3.

6 BILLION IN --LAST YEAR.

HOW MUCH DID THE STATE, CITY PAY TO KEEP THE HEADQUARTERS HERE?

>> I THINK THAT THEY TRY TO FIGURE OUT A DEAL TO STAY HERE.

I MEAN, THEY'RE A REALLY BIG ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR THIS REGION, FOR THE CITY, AND ALSO FOR THE STATE, AND FOR AEP.

SO WHILE THEY ARE MAKING THIS HUGE PROFIT, I DO THINK THAT THEY NEED TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT WITH THE LOCAL OFFICIALS TO BE ABLE TO STAY HERE.

I DON'T THINK THAT THAT MEANS --NEW TAX ABATEMENT.

I DON'T THINK THAT THAT NEEDS NEW INCENTIVES.

I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS JUST KEEPING THE JOB HERE.

THIS IS WHERE YOU'VE BEEN.

I THINK THEY SHOULD STAY HERE.

>> READING BETWEEN THE LINES FOR GOVERNOR DeWINE TOLD THE DISPATCH, HE WANTS TO KEEP AEP IN OHIO.

COLUMBUS.

DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY MADE THE ELECTRICAL --DOWNTOWN COLUMBUS ?

>> THEY'RE BUILDING THEM -- PUTTING A ROOF ON IT.

WE HAVE TO DO THAT --RIGHT?

WHEN I --THE DRIVEWAY, I HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

AEP --$3 BILLION, ACCORDING TO YOUR ASSESSMENT --I MEAN, THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO YOUR EMPLOYEES.

THAT'S JUST CRAZY.

YOU WOULDN'T GIVE THE INCENTIVES TO THE GRANT COMPANY HERE WITH A GREAT JOB.

A GREAT REVENUE.

JUST TO KEEP --I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY AEP CAN'T BUILD THEIR OWN BUILDING OR MAKE THEIR BUILDING LOOK NICER.

WHY --TAXPAYERS BACK TO HAVE TO DO THAT?

>> WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WHAT THOSE NEGOTIATIONS INCLUDE.

HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF A -- SOME KIND OF INCENTIVE.

THERE ARE 2300 EMPLOYEES WHO WORK IN THAT BUILDING, JOE.

IT'S A LANDMARK RULING IN DOWNTOWN COLUMBUS.

-- EMPTY.

>> NO, I DON'T --YEAH, I DON'T THINK THEY WANT IT TO BE EMPTY, BUT I THINK THE OTHER THING, MIKE MAKES A GOOD POINT.

WHY IS IT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TAXPAYERS ARE YELLING RIGHT NOW.

WE SEE --THE STATE HOUSE ALL THE TIME.

WE SEE IT --A PETITION CIRCULATING TO TRY TO GET TAXES LOWER, AND TO GET RID OF PROPERTY TAXES.

WE HEAR THIS CONSTANTLY FROM, FROM TAXPAYERS AND FROM VOTERS.

SO WHY ARE LAWMAKERS POSSIBLY LOOKING AT THE IDEA OF --AEP --IT KIND OF RUNS COUNTER INTUITIVE TO WHAT ELECTRIC ONES.

>> WHAT IF AEP WANTS TO MOVE TO DUBLIN, OR TO EASTON, OR TO NEW ALBANY?

IS THAT, HOW DOES, HOW DOES THAT WORK?

BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE COLUMBUS MAD IF YOU GIVE THEM STATE INCENTIVES TO MOVE -- SEVERAL YEARS AGO --NEW ALBANY --IT HAPPENS, BUT -- >> YEAH, I MEAN, SELFISHLY, AS A COLUMBUS GUY, YOU KNOW -- THIS IS A MAJOR ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR OUR DOWNTOWN REGION.

THIS IS HOW WE ARE ABLE TO SIMULATE THE ECONOMY HERE IN COLUMBUS, AND ALSO MAKE SURE THAT IT GOES OUT TO THE SUBURBS.

SO SELFISHLY, I WILL --STAND DOWN --COLUMBUS, WHERE THEY ARE.

AGAIN --YOU HAVE NO REASON TO LEAVE.

YOU CAN MAKE THOSE FIXES YOURSELF, AND WE CAN FIGURE THIS OUT TOGETHER.

>> THE COLUMBUS LOCATION IS GOOD FOR AEP.

IT'S KIND OF CENTRALLY LOCATED --THOSE 11 STATES.

IT'S GOT MORE BRANCHES --WHEN THEY FIRST MOVED HERE, OF COURSE.

--UNIVERSITY, PRODUCES A LOT OF ENGINEERS --I MEAN, THERE HAS TO BE REASONS THAT --OTHER INCENTIVES THAT THE STATE CAN SAY, THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD STAY HERE, RIGHT?

>> I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

IF A PRIVATE COMPANY WANTS TO LEAVE COLUMBUS AND MOVED TO DUBLIN, THEN YOU CAN.

IT'S AMERICA.

STAY IN OHIO.

KEEP THE TAX DOLLARS HERE.

I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO --LOS 2300 --IF THE OFFICE GOES TO DOWNTOWN COLUMBUS, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PICK UP THEIR FAMILY AND MOVE.

THEY'RE JUST GOING TO DRIVE TO DUBLIN, OR STAY IN COLUMBUS.

MAYBE THE CITY OF COLUMBUS CAN DO IT FOR THE STATE, TO PUT OUR STATE TAX DOLLARS IN.

>> EVERY CONNECTION BETWEEN THIS AND THE FIGHT OVER UTILITY RATES?

I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HELP, PROBABLY AEP'S CAUSE, TO LOOK FOR THE HELP FROM THE GOVERNMENT TO FIX THE BUILDING IF THEY'RE RAISING RATES.

>> THAT'S THE CORE OPTICS.

I'M TELLING YOU, THAT IS CORE OPTICS.

BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE GET THEIR BILL AND THEIR RATES HAVE GONE UP, THEY NOTICED.

WHEN AEP GETS THEM, YOU KNOW, MONEY THROWN AT THEM, TAXPAYER DOLLARS THROWN AT THEM, OR WHATEVER IT IS, THEY NOTICE.

>> POLITICALLY, WHICH IS WORSE FOR A POLITICIAN?

LOSING THE CLEVELAND BROWNS TO A NEW STATE, OR LOSING THE ELECTRIC COMPANY TO A NEW STATE?

>> I THINK IT'S THE BROWNS.

>> --COMPANY --I THINK THE IRONIC PART ABOUT ALL THIS, THOUGH, IS THEY ALSO REQUIRE THEIR WORKERS TO GO BACK TO WORK JUST IN JUNE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS WASN'T THAT LONG AGO.

YOU WENT 5+ YEARS OF HAVING THIS WORK FROM HOME POLICY, AND NOW YOU JUST FINALLY ARE ACTUALLY GOING BACK TO DOWNTOWN WORKING.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALSO OUTLINE AS WELL.

>> MAYBE --WORKERS COMING BACK AND COMPLAINING ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING.

TIME NOW FOR OUR OFF THE RECORD PARTY SHOTS.

20 MILLION, MICHAEL.

>> $20 MILLION, MY GOOD FRIEND.

IT'S HISTORIC.

NO GOVERNOR CANDIDATE HAS EVER DONE THAT IN THE HISTORY OF OHIO.

THE AVERAGE DONATION WAS $76,000.

MY FRIEND --THE BIG TENNIS PLAYER, I'M GOING TO SAY, GAIN, SET, MATCH.

THIS RACE IS OVER.

>> WELL, WE'LL SEE ABOUT THAT .

>> JUST HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MY LITTLE SISTER.

HER BIRTHDAY WAS JUST A COUPLE DAYS AGO.

AND THEN MY COUSIN'S BIRTHDAY IS TODAY, JANUARY 30th, SO HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THEM.

>> HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THEM.

>> I WANT TO SAY THAT I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT --THE FUTURE OF JOURNALISM RIGHT NOW.

I'M SEEING A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING, AND MOST RECENTLY WE SEE, IN MINNESOTA, SOME JOURNALISTS COME OUT IN SUPPORT OF PUBLIC JOURNALISTS WHO HAVE BEEN ELECTED DOING THEIR JOB.

I CANNOT COMMENT AS TO WHETHER THEY'RE, THEY WERE DOING THEIR JOBS PROPERLY, BUT I THINK IT'S A CONCERN FOR ALL OF US BECAUSE THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS VERY IMPORTANT, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE JOURNALISTS TELLING THE TRUTH, IT'S A REAL PROBLEM IN OUR DEMOCRACY.

>> ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO -- COMMENT MADE EARLIER BY A COUPLE PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, YOU WANT THOSE KIDS TO GET BACK TO SCHOOL, --THE SCHOOL BUS, AND --STANLEY , AND THE DOG WALK --SIDEWALK.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOUR NEIGHBOR'S SIDEWALK IS NOT SHOVELED, ASSUME THEY JUST CAN'T GET OUT AND DO IT AND SHOVEL THEIR SIDEWALK.

IT'LL HELP US ALL GET THROUGH THIS NEXT WEEK AND A HALF, BECAUSE THAT SNOW AIN'T GOING TO MELT.

THAT IS --THE RECORD FOR THIS WEEK.

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FOR --MIKE THOMPSON, HAVE A GOOD WEEK.